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Old May 9th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #1
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Default Yes.. Another Andron by Jovan Fan mising it..

Hi everyone!

So nice to be here.
I'm 40 years old married to a beautiful wife and have 3 grown up kids now, 24, 20, 17 .

In my youth in the 80's I had ONE bottle of Andron. I used it everyday and just loved it. Mostly the scent. Wasn't really interested in the Pheromone aspect of it. In fact, didn't even know it had pheromones until a few years ago...duh.

Of course I know its gone, I've looked on and off for years to no avail except the ebay adds.

Now I read somewhere on this forum that the Admin here mentioned that he worked with the same group that created Andron in the first place and that he could get Andron analysed and maybe come up with a formula that smelled the same but used the newer pheromones for the mix.

What ever happened with that? I would pay ANYTHING to have that scent back on me pheromones or no pheromones.
Please tell me that since that post you've done it! lol.

I just cannot understand why it is SOOO difficult for Jovan to release the formula for the scent alone and let somebody else put it back on the shelves. Are they stupid? They could make a Fortune making this again.
I would pay $200 easy to have this stuff again. I know a lot of people would.

It was special. It was a part of my youth and YES as I get older I feel the mid life blah coming on and having this unique scent would be a really nice diversion....lol.

I have often went through the BAY and Sears and tested hundreds of scents and NONE were quite like Andron even though they were 10x more expensive.

I cannot believe how upset I am over a stupid scent I cannot find anymore. I swear its worse than an itch I cannot get to.

Please bring this Magic scent back. Someone.

And where is Jovan on this issue? Whats there excuse? Why would a company take the one product away that a lot of folks liked? I say get off the pot or let someone else make it. Can't be THAT hard.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #2
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Hi

I'm another who was first introduced to Pheros by Andron way back in the 80s, although I didn't do much more with it at the time, except keep hold of the knowledge till I was ready to do something with it more recently.

I saw the last bottles of Andron and Jovan Musk remaindered in the UK in the early 2000s - I posted about that last weekend.

So, I know it is unlikely you will get the old Andron scent back - And it could well be that some of its components are no longer allowed in cosmetic products. You can read about some of the trouble AD has had with some of its older scents if you want.

However, AD has some good and interesting scents of their own, so you might want to try?

Have a read of this and post your own thread in the Intro Forum - that may get you some more advice on similar scents and you will earn a gift card to help try stuff out:

http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introdu...ift-21539.html

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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #3
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Hi

I'm another who was first introduced to Pheros by Andron way back in the 80s, although I didn't do much more with it at the time, except keep hold of the knowledge till I was ready to do something with it more recently.

I saw the last bottles of Andron and Jovan Musk remaindered in the UK in the early 2000s - I posted about that last weekend.

So, I know it is unlikely you will get the old Andron scent back - And it could well be that some of its components are no longer allowed in cosmetic products. You can read about some of the trouble AD has had with some of its older scents if you want.

However, AD has some good and interesting scents of their own, so you might want to try?

Have a read of this and post your own thread in the Intro Forum - that may get you some more advice on similar scents and you will earn a gift card to help try stuff out:

http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introdu...ift-21539.html

Hi mobocaster,

Thanks for reply.

I read the thread. Not really interested in winning anything. Someone else can have that privilege. :-)

I guess my frustration lies in the politics of this whole thing.
I'm interested in why it was discontinued and why Jovan after so many people missing it never moved to put out a modern "legally acceptable" version of it. After all, its the one product they made that gained so many fans.
Sex Appeal? Blah. Musk...Nah.

I wish Jovan or some ex-employees who worked on Andron would set the record straight about what happened, why it happened and why it cannot be resurrected. Such a shame.

Hopefully someone will speak out. I understand I have no "right" to know, but I'd like to anyway.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 06:44 AM   #4
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Default Re: Yes.. Another Andron by Jovan Fan mising it..

Jovan was bought out in a corporate take over by Coty. As often happens with take overs its not about the product line its about control of the competition. Take overs are complicated. Sometimes you can take over a company but depending on how the formula for Jovan was created and patented that may not be part of the take over. Perfumers are very protective of there formulas and its not enough to buy the name. So Coty bought the name but not the original formula. They cant make Andron simply because they have not yet been able to duplicate the formula. Because Coty is such a huge growing corporation its about bottom line. They make more with there other acquisitions so basically they just put Jovan on the back burner and moved on to what improves there bottom line.

I will say it wasn't about the actual pheromones in Andron that made it so appealing. It had very little really. It was about the musks used and Mobocaster is correct some are not approved for use in commercial products any longer. Another reason its not cost effective to try to duplicate it. They do have a line though its just not the same without those musks they can no longer use. Some things can not be duplicated and you have to let go and move forward.


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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #5
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I will say it wasn't about the actual pheromones in Andron that made it so appealing. It had very little really. It was about the musks used and Mobocaster is correct some are not approved for use in commercial products any longer.
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Thanks Tisha,

Interesting.
One has to wonder that if the formula has not been released by perfumers who worked for Jovan before the takeover then how does one know that certain ingredients that were part of the mix have been banned from use?

One another note, I hope the Admin chips in. He was the one who mentioned an attempt at analyzing a sample of Andron back in 2009.

Just wondering what ever happened with that pursuit.

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Thanks Tisha,

Interesting.
One has to wonder that if the formula has not been released by perfumers who worked for Jovan before the takeover then how does one know that certain ingredients that were part of the mix have been banned from use?

One another note, I hope the Admin chips in. He was the one who mentioned an attempt at analyzing a sample of Andron back in 2009.

Just wondering what ever happened with that pursuit.

Thanks everyone!

Its not likely Harris will respond. So you will have to settle for me for now LOL

I know Oak Moss was in it which was recently banned a few years back. That affected the origonal Ammo scent which was amazing.

Sandlewood, Pacholi, wood resins.

Musk, civet, ambergris and Castoreum. Some of these have been banned because they are musks derived from animals. Castoreum comes from beavers, Civet from the Meer Cat and ambergris from the barf of whales and its expensive and hard to come by.

I am sure there are more notes but these are just the ones I remember off hand. Oh and the pheromone was anol in both the male and female version.

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Its not likely Harris will respond. So you will have to settle for me for now LOL

I know Oak Moss was in it which was recently banned a few years back. That affected the origonal Ammo scent which was amazing.

Sandlewood, Pacholi, wood resins.

Musk, civet, ambergris and Castoreum. Some of these have been banned because they are musks derived from animals. Castoreum comes from beavers, Civet from the Meer Cat and ambergris from the barf of whales and its expensive and hard to come by.

I am sure there are more notes but these are just the ones I remember off hand. Oh and the pheromone was anol in both the male and female version.

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Oh..! I'm sorry Tisha I had no idea Harris was gone. My Bad.

My Lord I had no idea (like maybe a lot of regular folks) that those musks were not able to be synthesized yet. Well I guess there goes the dream....

I am up to finding something similar though (If only in scent) if possible.
I know its been asked before but I guess I will ask again.

Are there any scents (phero's or no phero's) that have a similar "mood" that Andron had?

I will try something new.Maybe buy some phero's to go with it.

Adding....

I have researched one ingredient so far "OakMoss" and have found that chemists can actually remove the offending molecule while still keeping the "scent" in tact.
On to the next....
So after much more research, the molecules that make up civet, ambergris and Castoreum have been synthesized. Although I'm not sure if they are as effective as the original source, it would seem that all the ingredients to make Andron again are available. Legally.

Interesting....

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I think Sir MHarris stated that the ONLY thing that was in Andron was a -nol + its scent.
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I think Sir MHarris stated that the ONLY thing that was in Andron was a-nol + its scent.

True and that is what I indicated. Civet, ambergris and Castoreum are part of what made the scent. They are not categorized as pheromones, they are musks that trigger a memory or instinctual response. For instance Castoreum smells sort of wild, and bodily while ambergris is sweet and earthy. Civet......... well frankly I don't care for it LOL. It smells like crap.


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My Lord I had no idea (like maybe a lot of regular folks) that those musks were not able to be synthesized yet. Well I guess there goes the dream....
They can synthesize its molecular structure and they are pretty close and effective but when going on scent alone its not the same smell. Something is lost in the synthesis. When trying to recreate the scent of Andron that small loss of something in synthesis just makes it impossible to duplicate closely. If your trying to duplicate the feeling of Andron, pheromones can do that.


Oakmoss you can purchase just not in commercial fragrances. I haven't really looked into whether they tried to remove the allergens from it. If they have thats great because I do enjoy the scent and used it often when making scents for my husband.

As I mentioned before its not just a legal issue as to what you can use and cant in commercial fragrances. I think for Coty its more of a bottom line issue. The cost of duplicating outweighs the benefit of production and sales at least under the Jovan name.

You can check over at Basenotes.com and put in some of the ingredients and see what comes up for you. Maybe you can find something similar that appeals to your scent preferences and use it along with mones . Just keep in mind I only listed those I was sure of. I know there is more in it then I listed.

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True and that is what I indicated. Civet, ambergris and Castoreum are part of what made the scent. They are not categorized as pheromones, they are musks that trigger a memory or instinctual response. For instance Castoreum smells sort of wild, and bodily while ambergris is sweet and earthy. Civet......... well frankly I don't care for it LOL. It smells like crap.




They can synthesize its molecular structure and they are pretty close and effective but when going on scent alone its not the same smell. Something is lost in the synthesis. When trying to recreate the scent of Andron that small loss of something in synthesis just makes it impossible to duplicate closely. If your trying to duplicate the feeling of Andron, pheromones can do that.


Oakmoss you can purchase just not in commercial fragrances. I haven't really looked into whether they tried to remove the allergens from it. If they have thats great because I do enjoy the scent and used it often when making scents for my husband.

As I mentioned before its not just a legal issue as to what you can use and cant in commercial fragrances. I think for Coty its more of a bottom line issue. The cost of duplicating outweighs the benefit of production and sales at least under the Jovan name.

You can check over at Basenotes.com and put in some of the ingredients and see what comes up for you. Maybe you can find something similar that appeals to your scent preferences and use it along with mones . Just keep in mind I only listed those I was sure of. I know there is more in it then I listed.

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Thanks so much for your attention!

Let the search begin!

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