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Old September 9th, 2010, 09:04 AM   #11
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Default Re: What is the "fallout effect"?

Wanted to chime in since I was asked about this in a PM.

The Fallout Effect, a.k.a. the " A314 Stalker Crush" is usually caused when a women falls head over heels for a guy wearing A314 or a similar a-rone product. It's happened to me a grand total of 3 times within the past year and it's very hard to stop once it gets started.

Now, one thing I've been trying to figure out is WHY it happens and the answer actually ties in with "One-itis". The more value a man (or woman) has, the more likely one-itis will occur whenever they hook up with somebody. Fallout usually only occurs when the wearer has more value than his target. If the girl you're with is a 9 and you (with the addition of A314 ) are an 11 (to her) then you can bet you're last dollar she'll do whatever it takes to keep you because to her you're a PRIZE. DHV at it's finest guys.

Now there are a variety of ways to induce the fallout effect. Obviously the first is simply just wearing A314 solo. Nothing fancy about that. Just 1,2, or 3 drops straight and you're good to go.

The second way, is A314 used in conjunction with Instant Honesty . THIS was how I got my first fallout effect started. Beta -nol 's bonding properties mixed with A314 value/confidence/Alpha male vibe is great at making women comfortable, especially with repeated exposure. Adding a few shots of IO could help too.

The 3rd way (and my personal favorite) is of course A1 . I honestly shouldn't have to go into details on this one, but A1 's crushy effects mixed with A314 can definitely get the ball rolling fast. Obviously using A314 with both IH and A1 can do great things as well.

4th way, is using MX297 . Yes, suprisingly MX297 can indeed produce the fallout effect at least in my experience.
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Default Re: What is the "fallout effect"?

You know, I did mention in the other thread that " 2xAMMO+ 2xIH + 1x IS" combo or something along that line causes fall-out also. I think IH - combined with AMMO , A314 , IG - can cause "fall-out" effect. I don't think it is just A314 . I think IH is the driving factor; of course, you also need a nice masculine mix thrown in there.
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You know, I did mention in the other thread that " 2xAMMO+ 2xIH + 1x IS" combo or something along that line causes fall-out also. I think IH - combined with AMMO, A314, IG - can cause "fall-out" effect. I don't think it is just A314.
I agree, it can definitely be caused by other pheros but the "old school" definition is focused on A314 mainly because it worked so well with it. I'd say that anything with some a-rone in it has potential to work the same way.
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4th way, is using MX297. Yes, suprisingly MX297 can indeed produce the fallout effect at least in my experience.
Hmm...there's been a flood of interesting MX297 feedback lately and much of it is conflicting. I'm really curious as to what exactly is going on with this one.
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Default Re: What is the "fallout effect"?

well, ammo and IG both have -rone too

Edit: I think MX297 has some rone too, lol
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Hmm...there's been a flood of interesting MX297 feedback lately and much of it is conflicting. I'm really curious as to what exactly is going on with this one.
Yes I've read some weird reports too. Steve claims that MX297 is pretty beta compared to A314 , yet there are those here that like it better than A314 . I've heard people say they've got jack shit from it, others that swear by it, the list goes on and on.

It should be noted that when I did experience the fallout effect with MX297 I was using it with A1 .
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Default Re: What is the "fallout effect"?

Everyone is different, and that's the whole point of testing.

If it works for you, and gets results that get the job done, the let it be.

We're all friends here and it wont matter if it works for one and not the other. Go with what works for you and not someone else. Just in my case, when I looked at Steves report and tried something else close to it, based on my experiences, it worked better for me. But there are others who have gotten great results from it that I never have.

Point being, if it works, then go for it, use what everyone else says as a guidepost. It may help you understand it better but if its working then why mess with it.
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Everyone is different, and that's the whole point of testing.

If it works for you, and gets results that get the job done, the let it be.

We're all friends here and it wont matter if it works for one and not the other. Go with what works for you and not someone else. Just in my case, when I looked at Steves report and tried something else close to it, based on my experiences, it worked better for me. But there are others who have gotten great results from it that I never have.

Point being, if it works, then go for it, use what everyone else says as a guidepost. It may help you understand it better but if its working then my mess with it.
Not really adding anything here but I like seeing a Dark horse mentioning something contrast. It sparks debate and collaboration. While agreement and profound likeness in results and personal conclusions is the key to true validation we need to promote debate so richer/deeper knowledge has the possibility of being discovered.
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Default Re: What is the "fallout effect"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Fallout
Fallout just refers to side effects, usually in the negative. Ripples cast from a stone. Your mix and your behavior being the stone.

Not all side effects are negative. You can use careful planning to almost design positive fallout . For instance, a good social mix often does good for everyone around you, and can create a positive chain of events much like "paying it forward" does

Our favorite mixes are ones that have a built in pay it forward effect, more than unwanted fallout . The more fallout , the less we like it.

You could say that grogginess, headache and diabetes are fallout from full sugar Coca Cola. On a societal level, you could say it's absenteeism, loss of productivity, recession. Well, maybe not ALL from a can of coke, but you get the idea
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Wanted to chime in since I was asked about this in a PM.

The Fallout Effect, a.k.a. the " A314 Stalker Crush" is usually caused when a women falls head over heels for a guy wearing A314 or a similar a-rone product. It's happened to me a grand total of 3 times within the past year and it's very hard to stop once it gets started.

Now, one thing I've been trying to figure out is WHY it happens and the answer actually ties in with "One-itis". The more value a man (or woman) has, the more likely one-itis will occur whenever they hook up with somebody. Fallout usually only occurs when the wearer has more value than his target. If the girl you're with is a 9 and you (with the addition of A314 ) are an 11 (to her) then you can bet you're last dollar she'll do whatever it takes to keep you because to her you're a PRIZE. DHV at it's finest guys.

Now there are a variety of ways to induce the fallout effect. Obviously the first is simply just wearing A314 solo. Nothing fancy about that. Just 1,2, or 3 drops straight and you're good to go.

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The 3rd way (and my personal favorite) is of course A1 . I honestly shouldn't have to go into details on this one, but A1 's crushy effects mixed with A314 can definitely get the ball rolling fast. Obviously using A314 with both IH and A1 can do great things as well.

4th way, is using MX297. Yes, suprisingly MX297 can indeed produce the fallout effect at least in my experience.
Thanks K-Train, this sounds like what I'm going through right now with this chick that I know. I have used IS, and IG together while with her. I feel that she wants me all to herself. We're just dating right now but I have the feeling she want to become a couple. We haven't had sex yet, so can a fallout happen without having sex?
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