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Old October 12th, 2005, 08:06 PM   #1
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Default Super Smellers

Doesn't amaze you when your wearing a mix one day, and it doesn't seem to be affecting anyone, and then one person picks up on it?

I wonder about these super smellers; what they're like as people and what they're most likely to be occuptation wise, personality wise, etc in our society.

Are they sensitive, etc, because their smell allows them to pick up on fear, sorrow, happiness, or general senses about a person? Does this mean they are more likely to be a social worker than the corporate boss. What do they tend to avoid?

Do they like cats or dogs? etc etc etc. I wonder how the gift of "super smelling" manifests itself.

Also, are people with lack of smell disassociative? What kind of roles/personas do they take on?
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I don't personally know many super smellers, but customers always run into them.

One super smeller that I know who that I wouldn't have anticipatedis Owen Fitzpatrick, over at http://www.nlp.ie/

He's the tough looking one.

Pheromones reek to him, especially the old, unscented A314 .

He's very Irish, very high energy and intense. He could beat you up with his arms or his mouth. He doesn't, of course... he's actually a very sweet guy. Even when he's helping people, though, it's with the intensity of a fight. He seems like a natural fighter.

Another one I know is the completely opposite... he's very not tough whatsoever. He's about 27 or 28, has a new girl or girls whenever he wants them, and you'd swear he was gay.

Short, too, about 5'6". I'd love to interview people like him for "Short Guy Seduction Secrets". He has an incredible friendliness to him, though. Workwise, he's a manager at Sony.

Pheromones also reek to him. Again, especially the old unscented A314 .

I'd figure that they're both natural supplicants, but if they are... it doesn't matter. They both do very well in their own fields. I know the latter one does extremely well with women, almost too well - he actually longs for a long term relationship, and less craziness!

Owen, though, I don't know. Haven't asked about his romantic life.

We haven't had enough for a statistical fact, but some customers in very introverted fields, computer programming or other "nerdy" endeavers, have been averse to the smell of pheromones.

Super smellers refuse to use pheromone products at all, unless they're very well hidden in essential oils or fragrance.

Sometimes I'll cleanse for health purposes, and I'll emerge with expanded or reduced smelling capacity. I've yet to experience an averse reaction to the scent of most pheromones, though, except androstenone . Regardless of well how I can smell it, sometimes androstenone gives me a headache or makes me... ummm... let's say unruly.

I observe that I associate the -none odor with various negatives, but the odor itself doesn't seem to bother me, if that makes sense.

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Michael: Do you think those who conciously percieve the pheromone odor also are the ones to pick up on pheromones on a biochemical level? I was thinking of people who go into a DIHL or look at you funny when you are around 100 others that day who show know sign of reaction. Perhaps super smellers react to both the conciously (scent) and unconciously (physiologically), although people can't always smell none but might be affected by it.
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Michael: Do you think those who conciously percieve the pheromone odor also are the ones to pick up on pheromones on a biochemical level? I was thinking of people who go into a DIHL or look at you funny when you are around 100 others that day who show know sign of reaction. Perhaps super smellers react to both the conciously (scent) and unconciously (physiologically), although people can't always smell none but might be affected by it.
That's a great question.

I've definitely had 'stinky' responses (people acting like something smells bad, even whispering under their breaths or mentioning it audibly to friends), but not so much with my own product. I usually try to limit conversions with natural oils that have anti-microbial effects.

I never did like the 'ewwww' response, but some people are willing to accept that if it means getting positive results in other contexts.

Also, many of my mixes, like A314 , were mostly tested by a bunch of office workers who had no previous experience with pheromones. No doubt this changed the developmental leanings of my formulas.

BO is not appropriate in an office, but the office is really a GREAT testing ground. You are FORCED into social situations. You don't have to depend on the 'game' or suaveness or reliability of the tester. As long as they show up for work, you'll see results - period.

I've found that when I've used people who test for sexual results, their idea of testing is sitting on a bench on the mall, or walking around a store, or going to a bar and not doing much. They won't initiate, so the failure s really theirs, not the product, because men always have the idea in their heads that it's up to them to approach, not to be approached.

Some testers will lie and not approach, but when you use office people as testers, again, they're forced to interact. You know they approached, and were approached. You know they lunched with actual human beings, you know they were in close proximity with real people. Less fudging.

I mention that because it's actually important to how products turn out.

Now, there's a high -none product out there that, in particular, is very smelly in a mostly negative way... to almost everyone. We've talked about it before. The smell alone makes it completely inappropriate for the office - you'd be sent home or fired for wearing a real spray of it.

It's well known to produce the most obvious reactions, not just negatives but positive. It's probably also the biggest product for producing "DIHLs".

I think reactions become stronger and more POLAR when the synthetic pheromonal odor is obvious.

Also, people may not consciously enjoy bodily odor, but subconsciously, they could very well being getting off on it.

Most people (except fetishists) claim not to like foot odor, for instance, yet there's a love affair wth cheese in many countries. Pizza is the only category of food not listed under 'restaurants', it has it's own category. That's how popular it is. 8 slices, 8 feet. Everyone wants a slice of foot.

Some of the accent cheese REALLY smell overltly of feet. Parmesan and romano are the big two. Asiago, feta (FEET ah), are found on the 'fancier' pizzas. The bigger you wallet and the more 'sophisticated' your tastes, the more foot you get.

There's a big difference between what people respond to and what they'll admit it.

That's why I like to observe actual behavior. It speaks volumes, and it speaks far more honestly than words, which people fudge in order to make themselves 'look good' or at least 'acceptable'.

When I've gone through periods of camping or whatever in my life, when I went without a shower... and my own bodily odor bothered me... I had mostly positive effects from others AFTER about the 4 day mark.

I haven't done of that lately, but let me try to remember how my own BO works. First day, very little postives or negatives. Second day without showering, I'll usually smell a bit, and not get many positives either. Sometimes I will. It's a draw.

Third day, especially if I'm not changing clothes, my smell will get more repulsive, and it won't have a positive effect on all people. On some it will...

A day or a few days after that, though, and something changes...

... results are less polar, and more positive...

No doubt the bacteria on my skin stop raging war (a daily shower with soap is really a daily attack, somewhat akin to taking antibiotics), and form a balanced culture... then, without warning, it seems like I have almost "social magic".

People really like me, some lust after me , to what seems like an ovious and inordinate degree. My self perception of odor is generally pretty bad, and I try to avoid contact as much as possible. Few people seem as repulsed by, especially considering how much I view myself as being repulsed.

Honestly, the positive effects tend to make me jealous of grubs, especially
grubs who are comfortable with their BO, and can therefore make positive use of it. I'm not, so I don't take advantage of it.

The fact that I could be bothered by own smell, when other people obviously aren't (otherwise they wouldn't be violating "my space") really confuses me on this issue.

Then again, I'm trained, as good American, to detest body odor, especially my own. Obviously, I swallowed this pill whole, early on. I bought into some serious propaganda, moreso than even very clean, anal-retentive, precision driven Germans (who nonetheless say that American smell unnatural, like a barber shop) or the admittedly more 'stinky' (and even more socially successful) French.

Our bacterial flora, though, can certainly make for some super finessed, super INDIVIDUALIZED pheromone mixes that we've yet to see in a bottle yet.

Even if we could bottle those exact pheromones, and proportions thereof, I'm not sure it'd do much good... since they'd then have to mix into a new wearer's own pre-existant pheromonal colors (example: the wearer is blue, the pheromones are yellow, so you'll get green), and they'll eventually be digested, reprocessed and effectively reformatted by the wearers own flora.

In summary to my tome: No doubt you'll get positive results from a smelly synthetic pheromonal mix (as well as negative). I do think some super smellers must get charged up emotionally, even if they are disgusted conscously by an odor. But are there smelly mixes out there that can compare to someone who's almost professional "unclean", someone who's out of the loop of modern, soap and antibacterial based hygiene? I don't think so. Not yet.

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My best hits, as mentioned before on this board, came from naturals, during times of intense stress, sweating and stink. Really just amazing hits.

As for supersmellers, I wonder if those point guards with the eyes in back of their heads were supersmellers. i.e. Magic Johnson, John Stockton. Is that what court sense really is? Hmmm. Probably just pheripheral vision
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My best hits, as mentioned before on this board, came from naturals, during times of intense stress, sweating and stink. Really just amazing hits.

As for supersmellers, I wonder if those point guards with the eyes in back of their heads were supersmellers. i.e. Magic Johnson, John Stockton. Is that what court sense really is? Hmmm. Probably just pheripheral vision
Heh. I dunno... Erox used to call this our "Sixth sense", right?

In fact, pheromones and other "subtle" factors all probably combine to make up that sixth sense. Or sixth, seventh, etc. Senses that are very much real, but less overt, liminal and conscious than something like sight.

Even sight has it's less than liminal aspects. There's so much more than we "see" with our eyes that we don't actually notice, because we really don't have the time or capacity to pay attention to it all.

I bet blind people have a greater pheromonal sense, too. Helen Keller, bet she had a killer "nose".

Some people also claim to be able to "smell fear" - I bet this is the average person's way of referring to something is actually very pheromonal in nature.

The gay community also talks extensively about their ability to "sniff out another one". "Gaydar" may be part pheromonal, even though there is more overt, "hit you over the head" signaling as well.

I don't there's "Heterodar" because heteros make more assumptions, because the hetero population is higher.
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Ever hear about micro expressions? People able to read microexpressions had talent that a lent itself to certain occupations and personalities. I wonder if the same goes for pheros, and these super smellers, and I think we both suspect it does.
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Ever hear about micro expressions? People able to read microexpressions had talent that a lent itself to certain occupations and personalities. I wonder if the same goes for pheros, and these super smellers, and I think we both suspect it does.
Yes, actually what you call microexpressions are a side effect of your internal perceptual rate. How much data you perceive and to what degree your brain distorts time.

If you speed yourself up a little with hypnosis or with neuropeptide precursors like tyrosine and phenylalanine, then those "micro" expressions actually become "macro" expressions because you're seeing them a lot more "slowly".

When you=faster, everything else=slower.

Same thing that happens in a car accident. Everything gets slow around you, because your mind suddenly gets real fast... enabling you to better save yourself.

Some people's minds do this in line at the bank. All the better to annoy yourself with.

There's the expression "time flies fast when you're having fun" which to times when people's internal clock slows or their perceptual channels are in a state of overwhelm, so external events themselves seem to "fly by".

Point is, depending on people's internal clocks, there are definitely people to which microexpressions aren't micro. They're obvious. We can all see them at different times, as our own internal clocks change. They're not necessarily unconscious or micro, they're very much dependent on the perceiver.

I wonder if, connecting with what you said, supersmellers are constantly in a sped up state (at least olfactorily).

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