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Old July 22nd, 2015, 12:09 PM   #101
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So jasmine is to hedione as rose is to ...what?

In other words, is there an available compound that captures or replicates the aphrodisiacal properties of rose?
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 06:28 PM   #102
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To Damascone - that's probably the main alternative to natural Rose. Several ways to produce it, mainly from decaying Carotines but most recently from some kind of yeast.

Establishing whether it has pheromonal properties or not is something we need to get to work on. I had been experimenting with some Tafi Rose and Musk as a cover before Hedione/Jasmine distracted me and I'd say that as well as being a highly effective and distinctive cover, it may well have added something.

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So what's the difference between hedione and jasmine fragrance? I was thinking they were the same.

And what's Hedione HC by the way?
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:44 PM   #104
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So what's the difference between hedione and jasmine fragrance? I was thinking they were the same.
Hedione in its current commercial form is a synthetic approximation of the primary Jasmonate molecule.

There are three main forms of Jasmonate, all present in natural Jasmine, so Hedione HC could be an equivalent to one of those.
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Hedione in its current commercial form is a synthetic approximation of the primary Jasmonate molecule.

There are three main forms of Jasmonate, all present in natural Jasmine, so Hedione HC could be an equivalent to one of those.
But how does Hedione compare to the Jasmine Fragrances you tested? Both chemically and in practical terms?

Also, I have searched about hedione presence in some designer EDTs, such as Paco Rabanne Invictus and Acqua di Gio by Georgio Armani, and I find nothing about Hedione in their list of ingredients on the official websites, also I have heard formulas change. So how do I know if they really contain Hedione?

Can't even trust Billion Dollar Brands these days? =/
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Very well indeed - It turned out that I'd been using a Hedione-based cologne as a cover scent for several years and even before I took-up pheros, I had found its attractive properties costing me a good bit of money in shirts that were ripped-off my back or kept as "comforters" by women!

ALthough overally, I think i'm prefering the natural or substantially natural-based Jasmine scents more to my taste due to the interaction of the three slightly different jasmonate molecules and any other pheromonic molecules eg Neroli , in there. Its a much more natural/progressive effect and I'm less prone to skin irritation due to other cologne components.

But yes, changing formulas has always been an issue with colognes. Some do so quite frequently and a few even have dofferent formulations for different markets, which only screws things-up further.
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Very well indeed - It turned out that I'd been using a Hedione-based cologne as a cover scent for several years and even before I took-up pheros, I had found its attractive properties costing me a good bit of money in shirts that were ripped-off my back or kept as "comforters" by women!

ALthough overally, I think i'm prefering the natural or substantially natural-based Jasmine scents more to my taste due to the interaction of the three slightly different jasmonate molecules and any other pheromonic molecules eg Neroli , in there. Its a much more natural/progressive effect and I'm less prone to skin irritation due to other cologne components.

But yes, changing formulas has always been an issue with colognes. Some do so quite frequently and a few even have dofferent formulations for different markets, which only screws things-up further.
Is Neroli also present in Jasmine fragrances?

And does it include Hedione? Is it like Hedione plus other things? Being Hedione only one of the 3 Jasmonate molecules?

I am trying to understand the exact differences.

And in terms of results how does it work exactly? Maybe you didn't try to isolate Hedione
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My understanding is that there is yet no synthetic musk that can compare in effectiveness to real musk deer.

Neroli is a citrus note, from a species of orange while jasmine is the flower of a flowering vine or scrub. You can mix them but they are separate ingredients.

As to my new supply of hedione, I'm considering a fairly simple sexual mix of jasmine on top note, lots of hedione as the mid, and vertiver as base note with castereum as binder and a strong dash of NPA and TAC . Hopefully, the vertiver will keep it from being too floral.

Any suggestions?
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Default Re: "Revealed: the aftershave that turns women on" - Guys, read this!

Woah, received my Swiss Hedione order today along with a batch of togo bottles. (Since I'm planning to transfer some of my 30ml arsenal and had one defective togo from AD.. )

I'm stunned by how subtle it smells...it's almost feint to well...nothing?

Got me 97% alcohol at a local drugstore and mixed 3 parts of alc with 1 part of Hedione. Transferred to a togo bottle, left the rest in the bigger mixing bootle. I'll let that sit for 12-24 hours and try/test tomorrow.

Applied a touch of the fresh togo 3:1 mix on my left wrist, it's sitting there for about 45 mins now...smell is becoming more distinct.
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How would you describe the smell, Slogan? I have ordered my material to prepare this mixture and I can't wait to receive it.
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