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Old January 1st, 2009, 08:13 PM   #11
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Androstenol can make you have unusual dreams or remember ur dream most the time at first, b4 u get use to it.

Some members said that a314 or -rone stuff helps, but i did notice anything.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 09:27 PM   #12
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Thanks, that is a bit different then the information I have compiled. Not to discredit your findings or anything. I am just wondering what has caused this effect for you and this person with Post Traumatic Stress. I have found that the nols create a cluttered busy mind, that when used close to sleep causes sleep disturbances. Which is why we tell a lot of people not to use it right before bed since others have reported on this frequantly.

Now I think you had mentioned you had ADD, If I am mistaken I am sorry its hard to keep everyone personal info straight. I wonder if the opposite reaction has something to do with that. My son has ADD and dosnt sleep well. Maybe I should try some bnol or anol on him and see what happens. Of course with his permission LOL

Good info, reps, It may seem like I am disagreeing but I am not. I am exploring possibilties.

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I'm not the first to report sedating effects with nols. Below is a quick search of "Androstenol" and "Sleepy".

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Do you feel sleepy immediately after high Androstenol exposure or a few hours later, like an afterburn effect?

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ABSOLUTELY. about a few hours after.
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i TOTALLY get why you asked this,bighead1221 !!!

it does in fact behave like a nol in my opinion, with the exception that in excess P74 makes me edgy, and nols make me sleepy.
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Originally Posted by blondie1 Also, I forgot to add that by 9:00 I was really really tired and sleepy! All I wanted to do was crash and go to sleep even though I had not done anything physically exhausting.

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try ,lots and lots of nol buddy that'll knock u out for sure and give u vivid dreams.

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Old January 1st, 2009, 11:11 PM   #13
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I have real insomnia issues and wish pheros would work for sleep

only drug i find that works on a regular basis that will knock me out where i will not wake up groggy is lunesta
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I've used chemset beta nol for years and it has never made me sleepy. If anything, it helps light up the verbal centers of the brain. Good for long conversations late at night...
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 03:44 AM   #15
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I'm not the first to report sedating effects with nols. Below is a quick search of "Androstenol" and "Sleepy".

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No Offence but you need to read the whole post Diane. Yes Lor did report on it making her sleepy the first few times she wore it. After she acclimated to it she didnt have those effects. When asked even at high doses it subsided. Remember that the forum is not the only place Androtics gets data or myself for that matter.

You will get the tired effect in many molecules the first few times you wear them. TAA is a big culprit for that. This is common and was the issue with most of the above posts you sighted. It was just in the first few uses.

However I believe the origonal poster is asking for something more long term and once these users became acclimated after 2 to 5 users it did not promote sleep. You need to look at the whole picture, not just what a few members report, this is what tells you what a product does and why it takes so long for them to move products up.



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ABSOLUTELY. about a few hours after.
whats interesting is that once i acclimate (maybe the third wear) it does not have that effect on me any longer. it will take more to achieve the same affect.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 10:43 AM   #16
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No Offence but you need to read the whole post Diane. Yes Lor did report on it making her sleepy the first few times she wore it. After she acclimated to it she didnt have those effects. When asked even at high doses it subsided. Remember that the forum is not the only place Androtics gets data or myself for that matter.
No offense taken, Tisha. I read the entire thread, and others. Marik and Tater have stated various times that they find the nols sedating. Neither of these posters mentioned acclimating and lessening of that effect anywhere. They just stated they find the nols sedating. Not that this matters. I am reporting my findings, not looking for effects from others.

Not everyone gets much self effect from pheromones. I get tons. Other people get tons of self effect. Now I may be misremembering, but it seems to me Gegogi is one of those people that doesn't get much self effect from much of anything. Gegogi, if this is incorrect, please feel free to correct me.

As for as acclimation, a few days not wearing a pheromone corrects that. Otherwise no pheromones would be worth the investment in them. I have acclimated to P102 and P103 and I don't find them so sedating any more, though they continue to tweek meo- est exactly the way they did in the beginning with no abatement. I did feel massive sedation for the first month testing both of these Putatives.

Acclimation doesn't always happen. I've been wearing beta androstenol every day for the past three months. It is still relaxing in my mixes. It still promotes sleep. When I am mixing I still have to spray that molecule in last or I forget what I am doing from the mist blowback (I have 50.0 mcg /spray betanol). I screwed up too many mixes and have too many 'mystery' mixes because of beta androstenol ... and I finally learned that lesson!

I haven't acclimated to it at all. So obviously the effects I find with beta androstenol are not attributable to first-timers effect.

I am not sure what the problem is here, Tish. Are you trying to tell me that my findings are not valid? Do you want me to report my findings or do you want me to do a forum search first and only report what agrees with the majority of testers or with the advertised effects?

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Beta Androstenol is so very deeply relaxing for me that it is a good sleep aid. Every time I've had trouble sleeping I spray on 1 or two sprays at 10.0 mcg /spray and I'm off to sleep like a kitten.

Also, I read a report from someone with PSTD who had a terrible time sleeping. He used a very high dose of Alpha Androstenol ( Spaceland ) and it enabled him to sleep, and sleep well for the first time in a very long time. I have Alpha Androstenol , but I haven't tried it yet.

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It actually makes quite a bit of sense to me. The reason being is that perhaps when BNols are working they lull the user to feel intense comfort with others, or with themselves. I know that when I feel comfort with others, I tend to give out more information, hence why BNols are in my ICM mix and also IH . Also comfort is what I like to feel when I'm sleeping. There is nothing like a comfy bed and all

Very good observation there Diane, very good.
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I recall P92 making me sleepy, but if you have sleep issues, consider seeing a doctor for a sleep study.

You could have something more serious - like apnea - and shouldn't take sleeping aids.
Nope no sleep apnea for me. I have had the overnight hook up to tons of sensors hospital studies and no breathing problems. I loved dropping 2 gs even with fantastic insurance coverage to find out absolutely nothing to help.

As Tisha stated also I was looking for a more permanent aid. Am I correct in saying a tolerance can be built up quite fast using pheromones?
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It actually makes quite a bit of sense to me. The reason being is that perhaps when BNols are working they lull the user to feel intense comfort with others, or with themselves. I know that when I feel comfort with others, I tend to give out more information, hence why BNols are in my ICM mix and also IH . Also comfort is what I like to feel when I'm sleeping. There is nothing like a comfy bed and all

Very good observation there Diane, very good.
Yes, that is exactly it. That intense comfort is what I see in my husband and in myself when we snuggle down for a long talk when weare both wearing a mix with Beta Androstenol . It makes things safe to say that wouldn't be said otherwise. It also makes things safe to do that wouldn't be done otherwise. It is a core element in all my sensuality mixes, one I wouldn't want to do without.

I haven't tried it yet, but from what I've read Alpha Androstenol is more of a giddy, motor-mouth, unfiltered, uninhibited, blabbing pheromone. You don't get that at all with Beta Androstenol .

Using Beta Androstenol alone I never have a problem choosing what to say or how to say it. I'd never insult anyone while wearing it, for example, nor have I ever been insulted by someone else while wearing it - a problem sometimes reported by wearers of Instant Honesty .

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Personally I don't wear any Anol products very much at all. I'm not a fan of IO as much as a HUGE fan of IH .

For me IO is blabermouthish so that's why always pair it with IH
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