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Old November 3rd, 2006, 07:40 PM   #1
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Which pheromones do you guys use for each phase of seduction, in terms of something like the Mystery Method or Neil Strauss' Game?

We were thinking something like this:

Attraction: IO or Liquid Sunshine + Instant Shine + small amount of TUTH

The IO or one of the Liquid Sunshine mixes would make people chatty, make 'em feel good

The Shine will make them feel even better. Increase the energy, and make you seem like one of those people everyone likes to be around. An optimistic, bright breath of fresh air.

The small amount of TUTH will let 'em know you're not just a friend.

Comfort: IO + a small amount of Instant Shine , an even tinier amount of TUTH , maybe a little A314 or something based on MX102 through MX105 . Optional Instant Honesty

The Shine would keep it buzzy, non-boring.

The small amount of TUTH would help prevent friendism

A314 would add comfort, and position you as a classical man ( DHV ). I think the key would be using not too much. Maybe even less than 1 drop or 1 spray of MX102 is ideal. Our own Thomas Lavoie does something like this.

Instant Honesty would make her feel like she's known you forever. A true comfort accelerator (but maybe too comfortable in high amounts?). (I've gotten a lot of feedback saying that A314 and Honesty are actually killer for mystery's C3)

Seduction: TUTH + TAL + P79 . Optional: A little Shine and/or IO

The TUTH would add the sexual spark

The P79 would make 'em wanna do something about it, and reduce LMR

The TAL would make women aggressive and direct (chime in here, Taoist Biker and others!) and also reduce LMR .

What do you guys think?
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:49 PM   #2
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Default Re: Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction

I definately think IH is perfect for the comfort phase; IO in the attraction phase.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:49 PM   #3
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I think this was a kick-ass post. Fantastic information. Rep points.

I like CTTM2 + IShine for the first stage, but it may work with my chemistry because I have a high androstenone signature. I like it because it makes everything fun and life-of-the-party-ish. I don't care if they're attracted, I'm just having fun, and that seems to say I'm worth being interested in.

For comfort, I like Instant Honesty , Instant Shine , and A314 .

Seduction, I'm presuming you're referring to heterosexual women... I like A314 , TUTH , IShine , and CTTM2 .

I have to learn more about some of the ones you're suggesting, but I like them, and the suggestions you had look a lot like what I was planning for a future Seduction mix. lol
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Old November 4th, 2006, 02:49 AM   #4
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TAH plus alpha- androstenol plus P79 grounded in A314 can make your mind twirl... girls jes' love TAH ... it's girly brain candy or something... they get so durn CUDDLY... BUTTTTT... guys, sirs, gentlemens... they will be very, very open and sensitive too, so be on you best, most thoughtful, considerate higher plane spiritual self when you dump in the TAH ... having said that... TAH has this "she was onnnnnly seventeeeen if you knowwww what eye meeeean" passionate innocent but potentially intense sex thang about it... so be all bathed and powdered and leave the potty mouth at home.... however, have some gnasty none/copulin mix available when The Moment arrives, and some nice sandalwood massge oil, a couple perfumed candles, a bottle of chilled Bailey's Irish Cream, what is it with women and these melted ice cream with alcohol drinks anyway ? Well, don't argue with experience, just have it handy....
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Old November 4th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #5
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Default Re: Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction

Attraction
MX113 and Shine
MX105 and Shine
It's Him (none, TAH , TAL , cops) social proof

alpha ladies- PMX 101 & A314 mutant

Comfort

CTTM
IS and IFM
MX105 and Shine

Seduction

IFM , IH , None (shy girls)
Shine, A314 , None (alpha girls)
TAH , TAL , Cops, None (peacock girls)
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Default Re: Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction

I tie attraction and comfort together and use interaction to phase shift.

I play with the MX series mixes, but don't usually apply anything else with them because I want to see their effects untainted. If I do add something, it is Instant Shine &/or TAF .

A314 + Instant Shine + IH (my "base" mix) and sometimes add some TAL + TAH + none + P79 mix (when I know there will be lots of women)

I always have CTTM2 and some light none or none mix available to amp up the interaction in case things might get interesting in the field. It's fun to watch the interaction with a woman change as you very gradually a little more none or P79 / TAL over the course of an evening - just keep the dosages really low and take your time. They might get a little squirmy and at some point a little agressive.

My seduction mixes tend to be targeted; but these mixes are usually high in a -nol , moderate in none, and have some other spices like TAA , P79 & TAL . I let my mood drive the concentrations of the last three and I prefer them unscented; and will add whatever sexy scent calls to me when I am working on the mix. And I change these combos up regularly to keep things interesting.
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Default Re: Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction

I don't know pheromones but I do know game - here is my input, take it or leave it.

It is important to understand the differences within the different sections of the Mystery method model:

Attraction is A 1 (the opener), A2 (female to male attraction), A3 (Male to female attraction)

Comfort - Can all be lumped together but is essentially building deeper raport and connection.

Seduction, is split into thre but only two are relevent - Getting her horny, and LMR (last minute resistance)
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A 1 - Instant openess, instant female magic or instant shine - baiscally all you are trying to do at this point is get the girl(s) to speak to you you so anything that relaxes her, opens her up or makes her feel good near you will work

A2 - female to male attraction, I am not going to go into what builds attraction, but I will just say, you don't want anything that makes her feel comfortable or connected to you (the secret is to make her feel you are better than her or unobtainable) so I suggest Turn Up The Heat or Instant jerk, or maybe even A314 if congruent with your personality.

A3 - male to female attraction, at this point you want to show her she has won you over (not sexually) baisically this is where you first show attraction by complimenting her you want her to link compliments from you with feeling good so my pheromone of choice would be instant shine or female magic .

Comfort - deeper raport, deep conversations, connection, shared experiences - Instant openess, Instant shine , Instant honesty ....

Seduction

S1 - getting her hot, time to TUTH (again), instant jerk, (basically sex pheromones

S3 - LMR - This is when she wonders if she is doing the right thing (after all she only just met you) You DO NOT want to be winning her over by palying how horny she is feeling off against her will power (that is IMO immoral and inneffective) You want to reassure her - so once again you want some reassuring, feel good products (shine, Honesty, openess)

Now, that is a fantasy situation - in reality you cannot change and remove pheromones that quickly for example the whole attraction phase can be run within the space of 20 seconds (trust me i have done it) So I suggest you identify your own sticking points within that framework and select the right pheromones from there. For instance my sticking point is A3 - I have no problem opening, I can build attraction easily - too easily that leads to the problem that girls think I am being insincere or playing with them once i begin to take an interest in them - so I would stick to Shine or openess to assist me and not use any sexual pheromones.

Me personally - I will stay away from any sexual pheromones beyond our first meeting. It jsut seems a bit too much like pressuring someone into doing something they wouldn't normally do becuase they get too horny and that doesn't sit well with me. I like to guide all sexual encounters towards a meaningfull lasting relationship (open relationship), so I am prepared to wait and ensure she is 100% happy and has made the decision to escalate sexually with all the facts in place (including the fact that I am a PUA and will not commit to her). But that is just my personal Moral Stance so take it as you will. I would rather sleep well at night even if it means I don't sleep with a different person each night. once i have already slept with a girl I will certainly use sexual pheromones to spice up the sex.


The above recommendation is for MM style game (indirect),

If your style is direct I would recommend just TUTH or Instant Jerk if you can handle it......
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Default Re: Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction

With too much and/or unbuffered androstenone , you can get women to accuse you of sexual harassment, even though you did not do anything beyond what would be socially accepted. It's just a reaction to unconsciously perceived sexual attraction which builds pressure on a conscious level. To reduce this action, a woman may only have three options:

1. Close the deal
2. Run away
3. Accuse you of what she unconsciously wants but consciously resists (maybe for good reasons)

Not to mention fights with other men...

The good thing is, if you behave congruently with your pheromone signature, most men will follow you like puppets! Send them to get a drinks for the set you have just opened...
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Which pheromones do you guys use for each phase of seduction, in terms of something like the Mystery Method or Neil Strauss' Game?

We were thinking something like this:

Attraction: Instant Openness or Liquid Sunshine + Instant Shine + small amount of Turn Up The Heat

The IO or one of the Liquid Sunshine mixes would make people chatty, make 'em feel good

The Shine will make them feel even better. Increase the energy, and make you seem like one of those people everyone likes to be around. An optimistic, bright breath of fresh air.

The small amount of TUTH will let 'em know you're not just a friend.

Comfort: IO + a small amount of Instant Shine , an even tinier amount of TUTH , maybe a little A314 or something based onMX102 through MX105 . Optional Instant Honesty

The Shine would keep it buzzy, non-boring.

The small amount of TUTH would help prevent friendism

A314 would add comfort, and position you as a classical man ( DHV ). I think the key would be using not too much. Maybe even less than 1 drop or 1 spray of MX102 is ideal. Our own Thomas Lavoie does something like this.

Instant Honesty would make her feel like she's known you forever. A true comfort accelerator (but maybe too comfortable in high amounts?). (I've gotten a lot of feedback saying that A314 and Honesty are actually killer for mystery's C3)

Seduction: TUTH + TAL + P79 . Optional: A little Shine and/or IO

The TUTH would add the sexual spark

The P79 would make 'em wanna do something about it, and reduce LMR

The TAL would make women aggressive and direct (chime in here, Taoist Biker and others!) and also reduce LMR .

What do you guys think?
hmmm I wonder where P74 and TAF would fit in this model...

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Sounds so complicated! Good analysis though.

I use Instant Shine for opening when I have been out of the field for some time. I use Instant Female Magic for day2 dates.

Overall, pheromones help, but Game is 90% of it.

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I don't know pheromones but I do know game - here is my input, take it or leave it.

It is important to understand the differences within the different sections of the Mystery method model:

Attraction is A 1 (the opener), A2 (female to male attraction), A3 (Male to female attraction)

Comfort - Can all be lumped together but is essentially building deeper raport and connection.

Seduction, is split into thre but only two are relevent - Getting her horny, and LMR (last minute resistance)
=

A 1 - Instant openess, instant female magic or instant shine - baiscally all you are trying to do at this point is get the girl(s) to speak to you you so anything that relaxes her, opens her up or makes her feel good near you will work

A2 - female to male attraction, I am not going to go into what builds attraction, but I will just say, you don't want anything that makes her feel comfortable or connected to you (the secret is to make her feel you are better than her or unobtainable) so I suggest Turn Up The Heat or Instant jerk, or maybe even A314 if congruent with your personality.

A3 - male to female attraction, at this point you want to show her she has won you over (not sexually) baisically this is where you first show attraction by complimenting her you want her to link compliments from you with feeling good so my pheromone of choice would be instant shine or female magic .

Comfort - deeper raport, deep conversations, connection, shared experiences - Instant openess, Instant shine , Instant honesty ....

Seduction

S1 - getting her hot, time to Turn Up The Heat (again), instant jerk, (basically sex pheromones

S3 - LMR - This is when she wonders if she is doing the right thing (after all she only just met you) You DO NOT want to be winning her over by palying how horny she is feeling off against her will power (that is IMO immoral and inneffective) You want to reassure her - so once again you want some reassuring, feel good products (shine, Honesty, openess)

Now, that is a fantasy situation - in reality you cannot change and remove pheromones that quickly for example the whole attraction phase can be run within the space of 20 seconds (trust me i have done it) So I suggest you identify your own sticking points within that framework and select the right pheromones from there. For instance my sticking point is A3 - I have no problem opening, I can build attraction easily - too easily that leads to the problem that girls think I am being insincere or playing with them once i begin to take an interest in them - so I would stick to Shine or openess to assist me and not use any sexual pheromones.

Me personally - I will stay away from any sexual pheromones beyond our first meeting. It jsut seems a bit too much like pressuring someone into doing something they wouldn't normally do becuase they get too horny and that doesn't sit well with me. I like to guide all sexual encounters towards a meaningfull lasting relationship (open relationship), so I am prepared to wait and ensure she is 100% happy and has made the decision to escalate sexually with all the facts in place (including the fact that I am a PUA and will not commit to her). But that is just my personal Moral Stance so take it as you will. I would rather sleep well at night even if it means I don't sleep with a different person each night. once i have already slept with a girl I will certainly use sexual pheromones to spice up the sex.


The above recommendation is for MM style game (indirect),

If your style is direct I would recommend just TUTH or Instant Jerk if you can handle it......
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