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Old May 15th, 2014, 03:42 AM   #11
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P80 is easier, I think, for females to work with than P75 . I do think something close to that is already in use in some formulas. Males who tolerate you wearing moderate amounts of 80 (balanced with Sexiness A as the dominant note, for gender specificity)...this is the best idea I can give you. The demand for women seeking custom solutions vastly exceeds supplied data. 2.5 mcg per spray is reasonable.

Gracious was wearing a full masculine dose and apparently loved it. See if you can get some PM feedback from her. He who would like someone who can benchpress 200 lbs., wear a dress and do all the normal girl things with girl looks...I think that's your TG. I'm partial to NCAA girls' softball and volleyball, myself. Observation: alpha females exposed to P75 stay alpha but becoming admiringly feminine. In the context of hip:waist ratio, the lower numerators aren't so much for 75. They just ignore it. Perhaps an RIA unrinalysis for DHEAS would be in order?

P80+78+91- reults.

I've got so damned many bookmarks, I can't find anything. More on this later.

To recap: I think you are looking for TG's who are very tolerant of a 95% feminine signature with 5% trace male pheros. Sexiness A + whatever. P80 seems to be one of the ones without harsh selfies. You want micrograms of P78 or P91 and nanograms of erone, enone. Maybe diluted IG. Maybe nanograms of P75 . You can also add straight TAL to IS/A. Any guy with the least ego or confidence problem is going to not like -enone. And they won't tolerate a wife with a fiercely independent lifestyle either.
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That's the difference- Experimone is user controlled. I don't want companies accessing my genotype and deciding what areas to enhance.
Well, it could be as simple as a clinic like setting, where licensed practitioners devise a bespoke formula on the fly for a client. Worried mom scuttles Teenage Johnny into the clinic and they discuss enhancing his profile to minimize bullying, so he can focus his massive teenage mind on Yale acceptance and not defense. Practitioner takes some strategic swabs and fires up the ole olfactory organ.

It's not much different a model than walking into your neighborhood Costco optometrist and taking the little battery of tests and measurements, having a gentle practitioner set a machine to your head for some additional fiddling, then output you a piece of paper with a personalized RX (recommendation) what to buy.

Of course, there are ten thousand minor steps between here and there. Olfactory bulb mapping. Psychological testing. FMRIs. Probably vaginal blood flow probes.

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The examples you used about make up and China are both spot on-- technology, innovation and medicine have to co-evolve with natural selection. The moment we eliminate the intricate/ multiple core foundations of evolution and leave it all up to the few and far between random mutations, we are robbing our future selves of our potential.

and maybe I'm more conservative in my approach- but I trust the way we got here and would rather be as minimal in my alteration as possible. (natural looking make up for example)
Even males are waking up to natural looking makeup/enhancements. Quietly. Subversively. Almost all of them are now using MOISTURIZER (disguised as after shave, of course). They are EXFOLIATING! (with a loofah called a bod pod and marketed as "like polishing your car ONLY YOUR BODY!") It must follow manly branding or the whole game is off. There is a probably a lady at the top of P&G overseeing all the madness, laughing her prada panties off, at the closeted queer bully who spurned her when young, inspiring her to exact her revenge on all American XYs from here until the next buzzword generation.

Make up and China. I think people's technological means have FAR surpassed their sociological maturity. (Personal opinion). Natural selection isn't so natural anymore (ask the Bengal tiger and the Amazon rainforest). Man and his badass tools have made a mess of the natural world.

I think next step on a grande scale is education and enlightenment. Though we're technologically (materially) advanced, the next TOOLS wee humans must fortify ourselves with to survive the apocalypse are THOUGHT TOOLS. Prudence. Critical Thinking. A mastery of simulations and "if then statements".

Birth control, on paper, is a great idea. It prolongs your youthful, explorative, experiential years. It liberates mankind's awesome strategic thinkers, ie- women - from the toils of housework and child rearing, to those un-fettered years of long nights at the study hall or the school of hard knocks.

Women have been practicing birth control (and balancing energy) for millennia, and now have more badass tools to do so, like IUD's and hormone pills. And each greets them with a new set of effects and challenges. Not side effects. Effects. Like wanting to marry someone genetically your brother, or losing your sex drive en masse.
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I trust HIPAA compliant medical licensed practitioners, not companies. Everything medical research or doctors want to do, they do so with our signed informed consent. I cannot say the same for corporations.

The key word I used was "co-evolve." Sure, they are many things we have eliminated from the driving forces of evolution, but to say it is no longer contributing or not an active part of our lifestyle and future is false. First world countries don't need survival skills, but we do need employ-ability. We rely on modern medicine but we still kill ourselves with our bad choices (obesity, diabetes, drug use, etc). Yes, we are destroying the planet at an alarming rate and endangering habitats/animals faster than they can adapt/survive- but those that can or will (regardless of how/interventions necessary)- will be the future of the mess we have made. And that is still evolution.

Birth control is yet another co-evolved contribution that I love and admire. Thousands of years ago, I would have been raped and impregnated more times than I could count, probably would not have survived childbirth/pregnancy, and would have never had the opportunity TO CHOOSE.

Consciously choosing my mate introduces a whole new myriad of problems I am not yet fully adapted to understand (BC is only 2-3 generations old). I struggle with weighing between cognitively wise suitors, versus sexually compatible mates, versus chemically attracted mates, and emotionally connected friends. Having more options doesn't necessarily make this task any easier, but it does require a woman to understand her own psyche/body/mental status to observe where her attraction lies.

For the record, there are women who lost their libido after quitting the pill to try to get pregnant (4 of my female friends reported this). My sense of smell was enhanced when I first started the pill, every thing made me nauseous and I threw up every day like an actual pregnant woman. Everyone's baseline hormones are different, so how the average female responds to BC pills is just that- an average. Keep in mind the deviation.

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This would be one biomarker for Gattica mones:

Finger-length as an index of assertiveness in women

Women whose forefinger was shorter than their ring finger were more likely to describe themselves as ‘assertive and competitive’ than women whose forefinger was longer than their ring finger.

I was going to add: IUD would generally seem the conservative choice. In the instant case for Lady, crafting a pheromone mix that attracts very potent males to practice baby-making (and want to fail in the conceptional result 100%, being fully content with that lifestyle) is difficult. You're seeking an extended LTR where the man voluntarily chooses extinction of his surname bloodline. How does one create "attractive female, cannot get pregnant signature?"

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I conjecture the reverse-copulin effect. Male wears copulins. Smells like woman. Player? Not kept man, unless with high IG signature. IJ + cops = seeking non-committed flings. Can't even bother to wash them cops off. Maybe he's snipped? That's why he smells like V. and doesn't have baby Mamas?

Reverse cops. Woman projects gender-specific, hetero sig with EST-analogues. Estrogen metabolites and a few others like DHEAS in that metabolic chain. Has also some androgen products (-enone, unconjugated "free" androsterone). Is she a jock? Why does she smell like guy?

The guy wearing cops might put off heteros looking for a rone man but create curiosity among the 1% females. Balancing TAL, rone, -enone and cops could attract anything, especially with an added P80 or 78 wildcard. The same concepts apply, generally, to men or women seeking either gender for whatever sex they are looking for at the time. The ratio of male to female mones. These folks are going to need a putative tool kit and just experiment. Maybe Androtics should make it? It's pheromone makeup, all the way, in the truest sense.

Since this is about BC and not my thread, I posted two more. Some of the best theory I can tap on genes, Asians, ethnicity and mones for GLBT and any lifestyle you please.

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Mine when taken for absolute length are equal, palms down - ring finger is shorter, palms up creating a straight line with attachment crease- ring finger is longer. I have insanely large hands for how short I am (5'4")- you can measure approximate bone width/mass by the circumference of your wrist and in high school, I was in the top 1%, bigger than 6'7" football/waterpolo players (school size 1500-2000, can't remember).

Hey at least I don't have to worry about osteoporosis.
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This would be one biomarker for Gattica mones :

Finger-length as an index of assertiveness in women

Women whose forefinger was shorter than their ring finger were more likely to describe themselves as ?assertive and competitive? than women whose forefinger was longer than their ring finger.

That is a REALLY bizarre indicator! I wonder who thought that test up!

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I think it may constitute a valid biomarker input into a mix calculator.

Example: various websites instruct how to determine 2D:4D. Info volunteered by LadyS fits my conjecture, based upon her self-described personality. However, I don't have statistics that compare 2D:4D ratios to which products perform best. It may or may not show any statistical significance. Maybe, you should find out.

For women who purchase Sexiness A or B, they receive a password to a closed forum. They answer a poll, anonymously if they choose. What is their 2D:4D? Do they strongly prefer IS/A, B or neither? They may discuss privately, as no result is construed as less feminine or gay.

This is research. It is a variant on blood type and perhaps more useful. It costs nothing. It can begin today. Nobody else does it or bothers to try. It may help to determine rone and none men. What signature they have. What they may lack. With automation, custom formulas may be possible in the future. It is a small step with which to begin something. It is...cutting edge.

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I think it may constitute a valid biomarker input into a mix calculator.

Example: various websites instruct how to determine 2D:4D. Info volunteered by LadyS fits my conjecture, based upon her self-described personality. However, I don't have statistics that compare 2D:4D ratios to which products perform best. It may or may not show any statistical significance. Maybe, you should find out.
Right? It's like when 23andme asks you if you like the taste of cilantro or if your hair is slightly curled. Weird biomarkers, weird little indicators. I like where you are going with this. I wonder what other strange little biomarkers you've uncovered in your study surfing?
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***Attention Ladies***

Do any of you have home ovulation monitors? I'm specifically interested in a brand that measures LH hormone and estrogens (Estrone 3 Gluc., a metabolite of Estradiol). These retail for about $150. Note that the pheromone EST is similar to estradiol.
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Do any of you have home ovulation monitors? I'm specifically interested in a brand that measures LH hormone and estrogens (Estrone 3 Gluc., a metabolite of Estradiol). These retail for about $150. Note that the pheromone EST is similar to estradiol.
Nope- I have the LadyComp, it measures your basal body temperature to the hundredth degree and gets more accurate the more regularly and longer you use it. It requires waking up at the same time and taking your temperature-- I loved it. Worked really well. Except all the days that I was the horniest and did not want to use a condom were the days I had to (go figure)-- hence the IUD.

https://www.lady-comp.com/en/medical-basics/cycle/
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