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Old October 21st, 2005, 05:10 PM   #11
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Default Re: Disclosing ingredients

In my opnion a difference is to be made between two types of situations.

A test kit that is offered either free or at reduced pricing is one thing. It's like a clinical trial. It's a cooperation between the manufacturer and the user and a contract by the same token.

Since the manufacturer is partly or entirely funding the research he has the absolute right to ask for certain things in exchange. That's the way they do it in clinical trials as well. The patient has to commit to certain obligations. In this case they could be:

- I agree for the test to be blind, so that I do not inject my own bias as to what some products might do.

- I agree to give accurate and full reports (a schedule / minimum number of reports can be part of the requirement as well).

- The manufacturer could even set up "experiment requirements". Such as:
* Day one - x number of sprays of my product only.
* Day two - x + 1 number of sprays of my product only.
etc.

The second scenario is where the user buys a product. I totally understand the concept of trade secrets, proprietary information etc.

But I think that the one and only information that would go 90% towards making users happy is - the none content! What is the concentration of the combined none and none-like ingredients? That's all. Let's face it none is like little sticks of dynamite in there. No-one wants to risk an OD of none either at work or at home.

I've been planning to dig up the link to some research articles I read about none. If what they said was true, I'd tip-toe around that stuff if I were a guy. Off of the top of my head it said something like: Women found the smell of none (even covered up) unpleasant and at best neutral. The only time it was rated as neutral was when they were ovulating. Makes sense when you think about it.

But I'll save my further ramblings on this subject for a different thread maybe?

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Old October 21st, 2005, 06:06 PM   #12
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Default Re: Estratetraenol - got another request. How much?

I had an intricate reply to this that I lost with the hit of the wrong button.

I see your point about the -none, though. Feel free to start a new thread.
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Old October 24th, 2005, 02:02 AM   #13
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Default Re: Estratetraenol - got another request. How much?

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I had an intricate reply to this that I lost with the hit of the wrong button.

I see your point about the -none, though. Feel free to start a new thread.
Don't you just HATE it when that happens!

I now do this: I open the thread on one of my monitors and on the other monitor I open a word doc and compose my reply. (I have a 2 monitor set-up for professional reasons - lol I could use 3)

Then I copy/paste the reply and don't close/delete the word doc until my reply on the forum is secure.

PS Thread about none is on my to-do.
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Old October 24th, 2005, 03:08 AM   #14
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Default Re: Estratetraenol - got another request. How much?

How about clicking "Print screen"?

You can capture an image of the screen and then paste it somewhere so at least you retain part of the text, while also not having to go through the trouble of clicking a lot of stuff each time you post.
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Old November 15th, 2005, 01:06 AM   #15
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Default Re: Disclosing ingredients

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In my opnion a difference is to be made between two types of situations.

A test kit that is offered either free or at reduced pricing is one thing. It's like a clinical trial. It's a cooperation between the manufacturer and the user and a contract by the same token.

Since the manufacturer is partly or entirely funding the research he has the absolute right to ask for certain things in exchange. That's the way they do it in clinical trials as well. The patient has to commit to certain obligations. In this case they could be:

- I agree for the test to be blind, so that I do not inject my own bias as to what some products might do.

- I agree to give accurate and full reports (a schedule / minimum number of reports can be part of the requirement as well).

- The manufacturer could even set up "experiment requirements". Such as:
* Day one - x number of sprays of my product only.
* Day two - x + 1 number of sprays of my product only.
etc.

while i understand the need for the "un-corrupted" data this kind of testing would offer, trying to get unsupervised males to adhere to those testing conditions, especially considering the material, would be incredibly difficult.

we all want to be associated with a winner damnit, and we have no patience or tolerance for losing, or even worse, no clear result.

on top of that, there is difficulty in repeating exposure scenarios.

i know it seems crazy, but give me just 3 different kinds of pheromones and there are literally thousands and thousands of different combinations possible.

i wholeheartedly agree with the comment about blind testing with -none, maybe no description should be sent other than something along the lines of "under no circumstances should more than 3 drops be used in any 36 hour period....."

i've said previously that i've been using pheromones for 5 years but only actually made use of them for probably 6 months, and in that time i've come to equate them to food, and more specifically, BD's Mongolian Buffet (those of you that are lucky enough to have one know what i'm talking about!) , you get hundreds of people in the restaurant every night, yet the chances of 2 people eating the exact same thing are incredibly small.

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Old November 21st, 2005, 04:30 PM   #16
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Default Re: Estratetraenol - got another request. How much?

I don't have the est , but I have the promised form of methoxy ( methoxyestratetraenone ), and another putative . The putative , in particular, has that human musk scent that is typical of most real human pheromones, so I have high hopes for it.

I'd hate to compound these at the moment, since I'm so busy trying to get the store up... but they will be shippable as the store goes live.

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Old November 25th, 2005, 10:59 PM   #17
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Default Re: Estratetraenol - got another request. How much?

MHarris this is great news!

Any word on whether the putatitve is a masculine pheromone and could you give us a sneak preview of what type of reactions it might elicit?

Oh and check your PMs.

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I don't have the est , but I have the promised form of methoxy ( methoxyestratetraenone ), and another putative . The putative , in particular, has that human musk scent that is typical of most real human pheromones, so I have high hopes for it.

I'd hate to compound these at the moment, since I'm so busy trying to get the store up... but they will be shippable as the store goes live.

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MHarris this is great news!

Any word on whether the putatitve is a masculine pheromone and could you give us a sneak preview of what type of reactions it might elicit?

Oh and check your PMs.

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If it was a test pheromone, I'd have some idea, and just wouldn't tell you. But this is a phase 1 putative , so I truly have no idea whatsoever.

The fact that is smells human, though, is encouraging. I don't have anything that smells human in my repertoire that doesn't modify or effect behavior in some way.

The caveat when looking for legitimate putatives is that there are several legitimate pheromones which definitely don't smell human. Not to my nose, anyway, so I can't always follow it - you still gotta test, test, test. Then test some more.

In fact, one of the most powerful pheromones I've ever worked with doesn't smell human one bit. If it wasn't for the insistence on testing, I would've passed by it.
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I don't have the est, but I have the promised form of methoxy (methoxyestratetraenone), and another putative.
Has anyone got anything to report on these two products? If you are a woman, does Methoxyestratetraenone make you seem 'better, kinder and much more liked' by men (as per Maiworm's 1998 study)?

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Default Re: Estratetraenol - got another request. How much?

I still haven't tried it yet. I should do that later today, if time is forgiving to me.

There are a few people who have it now.

That reminds me... there was one later who really wanted this molecule who asked me to pm her when it available. Better do that.
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