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Old January 4th, 2006, 01:49 AM   #11
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pheroquirk, where did you manage to fit 75? lol. seriously though, was that all in one spot or...?

i ask because i have a 5mcg spray
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i have an unusually large neck.

seriously though, many of the experimone products are available at varying strengths. you can pick which one when you order. I suppose that with some of them we may not know the appropriate strength to start playing with. for example there is one experimental mone that gives me a headache and i think i will need to dilute quite considerably before playing with it any longer.

I don't know what was right for TAF . my reason for choosing 25mcg spray strength was with the benefit of having seen Michael's comment. but we might decide after further experimentation that actually that is a horrible od and in mixes we are better off using the lower dose.

time will tell I suppose.
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i hear you, i got the 5 well before hearing about the 50 threshhold, not that i mind at all, in fact it helps make it a little easier to find my own tolerance level and gauge whether there are any positive/negative effects for me as an individual rather than effects in general.

i know you can buy these things in all different strengths, i've got both 50 and 30 per spray - nol 's, but when you mentioned 75 of TAF i was immediately thinking about my own bottle and the 13 sprays necessary to get you there
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Yes - a wonderful image of somehow trying to apply 15 sprays without stinking of alcohol and neroli .

I suppose it would be interesting to see whether my experience with those effects is idiosyncratic. (I'll wash everything off tomorrow and once I feel back to normal see if I can repeat the experience but starting from a lower dose). And presuming that others notice the same effect, how much of an impact does it have on people around you? (I guess they would need to be willing victims to be able to find out).

Suggestions for mixes?

It might also be interesting to repeat the experiments of a certain poster somewhere else who is fond of introducing beta -nol and/or dienol into semi- public spaces. What impact would TAF (alone or in a mix) have on a larger social gathering?
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Old January 4th, 2006, 02:18 AM   #15
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i won't edit my post to correct my math error, the only thing i've been good at counting these last couple hours are the pints of guinness i've been drinking to get ready for the game tonight
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in my case i have found out the hard way, several times, that alcohol and late-night email posting don't mix for me... let's not even talk about when beta -nol was involved

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well i had my last pint at halftime, i've got to stay fresh for tomorrow nights big game
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BTW, what do you think about the TAA , any special features to take note of ?
Well I have been using TAA at 10 mcg /spray for a while now and have been very impressed with the results. It doesnt last long on my skin so I do a spray every hour and a half or so and have noticed I seem more extroverted (quicker with jokes, more verbal) and more confident. The product is GOLD just for that! I think it really is the best product for that I mean with Chikara and other -None products I feel confident too but it is partly because people back off from the -None. With this, noone backs off!

With regards to external 'hits' I seem to be the centre of attention a lot and am getting treated as more attractive than I actually am, particularly by a few older ladies (40+) at work (I am in my mid 20s). Not like they are hitting on me but there is a definite opinion of me as being 'hot' (I am probably only slightly above average looking) when I have recently applied TAA . Anyway being validated like that almost every day is giving me even more confidence. I notice no intimidation/tension from anyone nor any extra respect from TAA so I guess it definitely differs from -None and NPA/m in that way .

More info on TAA and Instant Shine , when I test that product, will be coming...
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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:05 PM   #19
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So figure I start with a heavy dose (3 sprays of high-concentration 25 mcg spray) so I know what to look out for. Initially I have just TAA +rone from an earlier application. Notice that music I'm listening to becomes trippier, better and there are more layers to it. My typing seems slightly better - quicker, more accurate.

Apply some Ammunition and Instant Openness and leave the house for a chat with my banker, who is a good friend of mine. Passing through the street downtown, I notice that my field of vision and hearing seems to have expanded. I am aware of much greater breadth yet it is not overwhelming. The opposite of tunnel vision.

Have my meeting - only really meant to be half an hour, but find it hard to tear myself away. Find it easy to hear other conversations around me without being distracted from the one I am having.

So perhaps I am just being suggestible, but to me this certainly seems to modulate one's depth of perception in a novel way.

Further observation... although it makes the music more interesting, this is probably not the mone for beginner's dance class.
If you're THAT suggestible, especially over the computer, then wow!

I didn't even think to listen for an effect on music. I love music, but usually don't test at home or use a walkman (or ipod). THAT is great evidence for a significant subjective effect.

To me, the awareness thing is very odd. As much as I hate leading, TAF is just too weird not to talk about a little... (also, I'm going to talk mostly about subjective effects on ME, whereas other people who've given me feedback have given me effects on others)

When I go on walks with 50mcg TAF , I notice myself picking up details I've never noticed before. I walked down the same street I've been on tens of times, maybe over a hundred. I notice little shops and details of shops I never noticed before.

At the same time, I did notice a sort of tunnel vision... it was sort of like "zooming in" mentally.

Maybe it's functioning at a higher level entirely.... being able to simultaneously take in more, yet use that same expanded awareness/attention on anything we decide to focus on.

I, too, find myself lingering with TAF . Everything is just so much more interesting.

I hate, really despite saying this, but it's almost like getting sort of weird X-Men like ability.

Again, why nature has a pheromonal molecule like this, is beyond me.

In a practical sense, I think if you stick around someone else long enough for the TAF to affect them, too, then they could very well discover charming facets of you they'd never have discovered before.

Could be a good fall in love (or lust) mone for that aspect ("you are SO fascinating!"). Could also be useful for revitalizing relationships ("I never noticed this about you before... but, wow, it's like I'm getting to know you for the first time... there's so much more to discover about you").

I think it stops premature closure from the reticular activiating system in the brain, and, thus makes you more childlike.

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When I go on walks with 50mcg TAF, I notice myself picking up details I've never noticed before. I walked down the same street I've been on tens of times, maybe over a hundred. I notice little shops and details of shops I never noticed before.
Yes - I felt that. But to me it was because previously I was only aware of what I needed to see to get to where I am going. (I live in the centre of a busy city with lots of tourists, cars and noise) and my attention was narrow in focus (is that the same as what you call zooming in, I wonder?)

on TAF I was aware of much more in my potential field of vision all at the same time. wide angle wouldn't really be appropriate though - objects in the middle of my focus didn't become less clear. i'm very surprised it wasn't an overwhelming sensation.

i wonder what the cognitive price might be? obviously there must be some kind of opportunity cost in the environment to which we are evolutionarily adapted otherwise we would be in that mode all the time. perhaps the time distortion might be part of it.

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Maybe it's functioning at a higher level entirely.... being able to simultaneously take in more, yet use that same expanded awareness/attention on anything we decide to focus on.
Yes!

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I, too, find myself lingering with TAF. Everything is just so much more interesting.
Well, I suppose there is our answer. We'd never get any work done if using this all the time

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Again, why nature has a pheromonal molecule like this, is beyond me.
Curious to know what context this crops up in naturally, if you can say? I mean, if I didn't know otherwise, I would just have thought of this as a rather unusual neurotropic pharmaceutical or supplement.

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In a practical sense, I think if you stick around someone else long enough for the TAF to affect them, too, then they could very well discover charming facets of you they'd never have discovered before.
I'm taking it that you are not just imagining that possibility.

What would make it sure that they would discover only charming facets of you though? I mean ever had the feeling of a case of mistaken identity - that some people like you for completely the wrong reason (for some reason due to their first impression or social proof they hold a belief about you that is just plain wrong). Not that one wants to have friends on that basis, but one doesn't necessarily want acquaintances to know everything either.

Have you had any experience of TAA + beta -nol ? Beta -nol already seems to have strange impacts on peoples' ability to arrive at some kind of insights.

TAF (I wrote TAA originally by mistake) + other disinhibitory substances generally might prove to be quite something. Mindblowing or terrifying, I'm not sure.

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I think it stops premature closure from the reticular activiating system in the brain, and, thus makes you more childlike.
V interesting. The Feynman Mone? Now given that it has effects on vision and (I think) on hearing one might assume that it modulates perception more generally. (I guess we should look at smell, taste and touch also).

So it potentially isn't something one would wish to wear to the office - might prove difficult to narrow down one's focus and get any work done. The RAS also deals with achievement of goals, no?

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Further observation... although it makes the music more interesting, this is probably not the mone for beginner's dance class.
I did actually wear it to dance class and have more than usual trouble paying attention to learn the new steps. (Hard to attribute that to any one thing, but I suspect TAF did not help).

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