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Old December 2nd, 2006, 02:39 AM   #1
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Has anyone else here read his book? I became curious about Neil after seeing his photo in Jasmin's "free pivot" thread ... he wasn't what I expected a pickup artist to look like! So I found his book (leather bound with gold edging, it resembles nothing so much as a Bible) and was delighted to discover what a good writer he is, and how much he reveals about the dark side of the PUA lifestyle and some of its central players. Many times he had me laughing out loud; there's some priceless material here. There IS going to be a movie coming out of this, right? Columbia Pictures, 2007, Jack Black and Kate Hudson; that's all I can find about it.

Nice photo and interview here:

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I read the book, it’s funny at times, especially at the very beginning but it did drag on about half way through reading it, I had to struggle to finish it. Neil Strauss writes in the style of a columnist or short article writer, not surprising, since most of his writing that I have come across is in that form. I think that is why the book didn’t flow and merge into one story. I felt I was reading a book within a book every chapter. With regards to the content and message, I can imagine it would appeal to a lot of teenagers, which it did incidentally.

The protagonist of the book is an interesting fellow, he used to contribute quite a bit on a forum that I am an active member of, and have been for years, hence my interest in this book.
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Who do you consider the protagonist to be, Mystery/Erik Markovik or Neil himself? Neil was the center of the book, for me, while Mystery was just one of many gurus around the PUA circuit. Are you referring to Mystery's Lounge?
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Mystery was meant to be centre court, although Neil perhaps wanted to be? After all this book is in essence about Neil and his exploits, the thing that bleeds through was that it was more of a Autobiographical account of his own character, his own weaknesses and strengths, which could be interpreted by the reader as a kind of self promotional piece of literture and the subject matter was just a backdrop and incidental. I probably read it very differently to alot of people out there.

I have come into contact with Mystery over the years, on this site:

For some insider info, Mystery and others did not invent these seduction techniques, but rather a young man did, from Estonia, over 10 years ago, mystery and others just copied, and became rather good showmen.

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Has anyone else here read his book? I became curious about Neil after seeing his photo in Jasmin's "free pivot" thread ... he wasn't what I expected a pickup artist to look like! So I found his book (leather bound with gold edging, it resembles nothing so much as a Bible) and was delighted to discover what a good writer he is, and how much he reveals about the dark side of the PUA lifestyle and some of its central players. Many times he had me laughing out loud; there's some priceless material here. There IS going to be a movie coming out of this, right? Columbia Pictures, 2007, Jack Black and Kate Hudson; that's all I can find about it.
Hi Carrie.

Curious to know your impression of Strauss and the assorted characters in the PUA world that he describes.

I was aware of that community for a while but lately, after reading his book, started exploring it a little more (and stopped by a seminar he gave for a few people while I was in LA). He seems in some ways to be reframing it as a men'self-improvement movement rather than being just about picking up women.

One common reaction by women seems to be that 'this stuff might be okay for party girls in clubs, but it won't work on me'. That may be true, but I guess some aspects of human social dynamics are more universal than at times we might like to think...
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Mystery was meant to be centre court, although Neil perhaps wanted to be? After all this book is in essence about Neil and his exploits, the thing that bleeds through was that it was more of a Autobiographical account of his own character, his own weaknesses and strengths, which could be interpreted by the reader as a kind of self promotional piece of literture and the subject matter was just a backdrop and incidental. I probably read it very differently to alot of people out there.
Yes - I think Neil has pretty much said that it's modelled on a Joseph Campbell archetypal myth where the hero has to leave his village and venture into the dark forest, encounter and do battle with all kinds of dark and shadowy creatures in order to return home as a man. So my guess is not all the details are strictly correct but he has distilled out the essence of the story.

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How interesting... I'm curious to know who the Estonian guy is. (His alias and real name, if you know and can tell). I guess that there is nothing new under the sun, but the whole community aspect of it is something that could never really have taken place pre-internet.
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Hi Carrie.

Curious to know your impression of Strauss and the assorted characters in the PUA world that he describes.

I was aware of that community for a while but lately, after reading his book, started exploring it a little more (and stopped by a seminar he gave for a few people while I was in LA). He seems in some ways to be reframing it as a men'self-improvement movement rather than being just about picking up women.

One common reaction by women seems to be that 'this stuff might be okay for party girls in clubs, but it won't work on me'. That may be true, but I guess some aspects of human social dynamics are more universal than at times we might like to think...
Neil's self-deprecating humor is very appealing. I was struck by one of his lines "If I weren't gay, you would so be mine!" Intended to disarm the target, it works because he actually does have (in some video clips I've seen) a soft empathic vibe, he's warm, articulate, well groomed ... and actually seems to enjoy women as people, which many PUAs do not (judging by posts on the community fora as well as stories related by Neil).

So many (probably all) of the guys dominating the PUA world seem to have very recently been geeky virgins who couldn't get a second look, much less a number close. He portrays Tyler Durden (along with Papa and the boys living in his room at Project Hollywood) as a cold manipulator, very skilled but more interested in power than women or sex - and Tyler's forum posts do nothing to persuade me otherwise.

Mystery (via video clips on the web) seems to be a pretty good teacher of theory and technique, smooth and more outwardly attractive than most of the big names in the community. But apparently he - like many of his colleagues - is tragically immature, narcissistic, self-destructive - a real mess when it comes to relationships, behaving in ways that guarantee he'll be abandoned, and then absolutely shattered by the rejection, with multiple psychiatric hospitalizations, yeesh!

While the personalities dominating the world of pickup are all too flawed, there's a lot for men to gain from the instruction provided there. The techniques build confidence and allow the fledgling PUA to experience enough success to get over his fears and make good things happen in his life, as long as he doesn't get obsessed with the game for its own sake.

Toward the end of the book, Hollywood is so saturated with PUA that women being sarged will sweetly inform the guy "oh, we've heard that one before..." and by now I guess a large percentage of the bar crowd nationwide will have been exposed to "jealous girlfriend" and "help me pick a cologne." Time to move to Slovenia perhaps? or just internalize the concepts and cultivate some spontaneity ...

Studying pickup is great for cultivating superficial social skills ... for a deeper level of success in life, of course, you'd better not stop there, but develop some substance, something else to be curious about, driven by, something worthwhile to live for ... other than the game.

While most women are quick to say pickup techniques won't work on them, most of us do enjoy a man who's unafraid to approach, willing to entertain, flirt, engage us in an intelligent or amusing manner ... someone for whom life is an adventure, a celebration; someone who relishes a challenge. If studying pickup can help a guy conquer his fear of rejection so he actually enjoys his interaction with women more, everyone benefits.

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Studying pickup is great for cultivating superficial social skills ... for a deeper level of success in life, of course, you'd better not stop there, but develop some substance, something else to be curious about, driven by, something worthwhile to live for ... other than the game.

While most women are quick to say pickup techniques won't work on them, most of us do enjoy a man who's unafraid to approach, willing to entertain, flirt, engage us in an intelligent or amusing manner ... someone for whom life is an adventure, a celebration; someone who relishes a challenge. If studying pickup can help a guy conquer his fear of rejection so he actually enjoys his interaction with women more, everyone benefits.
i think too when any guy is truely confident, it isnt about the pick-up anymore. that part of the adventure falls away and learning more about himself as a person through his relationships with other people dominate situations. A PUA is motivated by aquisitions. there couldnt be a place for PUAs if we didnt enjoy their (brief) company
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Default Re: Neil Strauss "The Game" - a fascinating read!

Carrie, is right on target, I believe.

Pheroquirk, I know his alias and his real name, I might share, but im not sure im even allowed, I will find a link where you can find his material.
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That was an excellent and very perceptive post Carrie.




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