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Old August 25th, 2011, 07:03 AM   #141
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I think the correlation between types and pheromone effects will need to be dug out of the posts. It seems like alot of work but if you need the results, we sure need to get started. But since AD has this site up for their research... they've got this done already, but in a real scientific way, not the way you or I would do it while standing around a water cooler.

I figure since AD has this site up for the research, they must do statistical analysis on each and every post. I know every post doesn't give details in full, but there are probably over 300 different possible variables that go into every situation.

I figure that this master list of data that is parsed from each and every post is probably at the center of AD's research collection from this site. We probably don't ever get to see it, but they probably also only us PM's to clarify ambiguities in their data collection, which is why you never see the clarification questions in the posts, you know getting better answers when we post with bad grammer.

Perhaps they could post some of the numbers for us so we could see the correlations that the MBTI has with pheromones. And which ones are Stastically relevant and which are independant and dependant.
Steve, Jasmine, MHarris, Mickaela, Tisha?
could you post some of this from your collected research?
Not a white paper per se, but throw us some bones?
My feeling too. I know what you mean. I actually tried to dig through the forum at one time because I don't react to IShine the way most do. I wear it for other people when I wear it; but over 3 sprays and I get emotionally fragile - and don't really get over it until the mones are looonnng gone. Then, I'm like: Wtf??? I wanted to see if I could find others with similar experiences and if we all had something in common - to see if it could be predicted. I love research; just this forum is so hard to find what I wanted/needed.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #142
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My feeling too. I know what you mean. I actually tried to dig through the forum at one time because I don't react to IShine the way most do. I wear it for other people when I wear it; but over 3 sprays and I get emotionally fragile - and don't really get over it until the mones are looonnng gone. Then, I'm like: Wtf??? I wanted to see if I could find others with similar experiences and if we all had something in common - to see if it could be predicted. I love research; just this forum is so hard to find what I wanted/needed.
I also don't find myself getting the same reactions that others get, for the same molecules, Instant Line, or MX 's.

However, I do see the effects of these on others, that sometimes correlated with others on the forum. I think it would be great to be able to dial in the mones to cause the desired effects based on the MBTI type you want to effect.

I know that my wife is ESTJ, with a strong S up against the wall. This is a wierd instance, the 100% S types.

While most people when put into a situation where there is an emergency or painted in a corner, they can set aside their preference shown in the MBTI 4 letter type, and use the other side. E can display I type attributes, S can display N type attributes, F can T, and J can P and vice versa. The types show what your preference is, not what you have to do, in cases where you don't have a choice, and don't get to choose your preference, you CAN do things you don't prefer.

Here is the exception that I've read about. An absolute S, all questions on the Sensory/iNtuitive axis are answered with a Pro-S response, does not have the N type ability to fall back on. This is very well shown in conversation. The S type will have some things that really become apparent when looking for them:

1. S-Type don't prefer/like analogies. N-Types do. An absolut S-Type will never "GET" abstract analogies. Relating things that have nothing to do with each other will just make an absolute S-Type think that you are crazy and making stuff up, and lose interest quickly. They respond very well to the concrete comparisons. Like "I like apples better than pears." "I don't like loud noises.","Let's go to a restaurant."

S-Types use "CONCRETE WORDS"

SJ - Gaurdians use "SERIAL" conversations.
SP- Artisan types use lots of hand gestures while talking.

I want to find out if there are different strengths that align with MBTI types. Such as the different parts of the brain (Reptilian Brain/Old Brain/New Brain) being able to react to different pheromones based on the MBTI type of the person.

in other words, what if a certain MBTI type favored use of 1 of the 3 brains and as such only certain pheromones would affect him/her, because they produced a response in that portion of the brain.
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Old August 26th, 2011, 01:04 AM   #143
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I think it would be great to be able to dial in the mones to cause the desired effects based on the MBTI type you want to effect.

I know that my wife is ESTJ, with a strong S up against the wall. This is a wierd instance, the 100% S types.

While most people when put into a situation where there is an emergency or painted in a corner, they can set aside their preference shown in the MBTI 4 letter type, and use the other side. E can display I type attributes, S can display N type attributes, F can T, and J can P and vice versa. The types show what your preference is, not what you have to do, in cases where you don't have a choice, and don't get to choose your preference, you CAN do things you don't prefer.

Here is the exception that I've read about. An absolute S, all questions on the Sensory/iNtuitive axis are answered with a Pro-S response, does not have the N type ability to fall back on. This is very well shown in conversation. The S type will have some things that really become apparent when looking for them:

1. S-Type don't prefer/like analogies. N-Types do. An absolut S-Type will never "GET" abstract analogies. Relating things that have nothing to do with each other will just make an absolute S-Type think that you are crazy and making stuff up, and lose interest quickly. They respond very well to the concrete comparisons. Like "I like apples better than pears." "I don't like loud noises.","Let's go to a restaurant."

S-Types use "CONCRETE WORDS"

SJ - Gaurdians use "SERIAL" conversations.
SP- Artisan types use lots of hand gestures while talking.

I want to find out if there are different strengths that align with MBTI types. Such as the different parts of the brain (Reptilian Brain/Old Brain/New Brain) being able to react to different pheromones based on the MBTI type of the person.


in other words, what if a certain MBTI type favored use of 1 of the 3 brains and as such only certain pheromones would affect him/her, because they produced a response in that portion of the brain.
That's a puzzle and a a half. First, you'd have to determine the MBTI individuals; then do some extensive testing - given. Of course everyone can do the things they don't prefer - this often results in conflicted behavior - but most will do what they have to, to survive.
On a side note, I don't have an easy time dealing with "concrete types" - how do you - on a daily basis?

This forum and the people on it would only constitute a tiny start on that subject - considering how many would fall into any specific type.
Then you'd be looking at: whether or not any individual's responses was the exception - what about bio chem? What if food intolerances (something I was looking at) plays a part in the effectiveness of any given mone? Blood type? What if these factors need to be determined first - to further specify MBTI types and responses?

Since abstract thought is commonly thought to be a 'higher function'; maybe it's not a matter of preference, but a matter of wiring? Then neurology plays a factor. Which is aspect is the largest bias or determining factor? You may be looking at so many sub-categories, (like accurate blood typing) as to be non-viable. What about nature vs nurture? The how and where someone is raised may have even more impact than all of the rest, as being the conditioned responses to survive in a given environment. Domestic environs vs the outside world. The suburb being conducive to safety or a violent area? A city with a cultural balance that's easy to develop interest in the abstract or a city in which just staying alive consumes the individuals thinking time? These could be factors in the process of learning 'what methods are useful to my survival'. Remembering when young, we often need to survive on our own; outside the influence sphere of those that are there to raise and protect us.

Is the "S" type response to the world at large their nature, or the result of learning how to cope with their immediate role models and the response of the surrounding culture to them?
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I'm also an ISTJ, i thought i was the only one here at first lol

I am very into astrology, and what i found interesting is the analysis they gave for ISTJ is very very similar to the characteristic traits of water signs (Scorpios, cancers, pisces)

Im wondering of any more of us water signs got the same result


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Strength of the preferences % 67 25 25 56




You are:
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  • moderately expressed sensing personality
  • moderately expressed thinking personality
  • moderately expressed judging personality
The one word that best describes Inspectors is superdependable. Whether at home or at work, Inspectors are extraordinarily persevering and dutiful, particularly when it comes to keeping an eye on the people and products they are responsible for. In their quiet way, Inspectors see to it that rules are followed, laws are respected, and standards are upheld.

Inspectors (as much as ten percent of the general population) are the true guardians of institutions. They are patient with their work and with the procedures within an institution, although not always with the unauthorized behavior of some people in that institution. Responsible to the core, Inspectors like it when people know their duties, follow the guidelines, and operate within the rules. For their part, Inspectors will see to it that goods are examined and schedules are kept, that resources will be up to standards and delivered when and where they are supposed to be.

And they would prefer that everyone be this dependable. Inspectors can be hard-nosed about the need for following the rules in the workplace, and do not hesitate to report irregularities to the proper authorities. Because of this they are often misjudged as being hard-hearted, or as having ice in their veins, for people fail to see their good intentions and their vulnerability to criticism. Also, because Inspectors usually make their inspections without much flourish or fanfare, the dedication they bring to their work can go unnoticed and unappreciated.

While not as talkative as Supervisor Guardians [ESTJs], Inspectors are still highly sociable, and are likely to be involved in community service organizations, such as Sunday School, Little League, or Boy and Girl Scouting, that transmit traditional values to the young. Like all Guardians, Inspectors hold dear their family social ceremonies-weddings, birthdays, and anniversaries - although they tend to be shy if the occasion becomes too large or too public.

Generally speaking, Inspectors are not comfortable with anything that gets too fancy. Their words tend to be plain and down-to-earth, not showy or high-flown; their clothes are often simple and conservative rather than of the latest fashion; and their home and work environments are usually neat, orderly, and traditional, rather than trendy or ostentatious. As for personal property, they usually choose standard items over models loaded with features, and they often try to find classics and antiques - Inspectors prefer the old-fashioned to the newfangled every time.
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I'm also an ISTJ, i thought i was the only one here at first lol

I am very into astrology, and what i found interesting is the analysis they gave for ISTJ is very very similar to the characteristic traits of water signs (Scorpios, cancers, pisces)

Im wondering of any more of us water signs got the same result
I am SO NOT a water sign. Not even close.
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lol okay cool, i was just curious

So your another ISTJ? I guess that makes 3 of us so far.

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lol okay cool, i was just curious

So your another ISTJ? I guess that makes 3 of us so far.
If you trawled through all the posts (); I'm sure that you'd find more of us. I know it's highly complimentary, and all; but most hardly ever touch on their potential, or even just their strengths. I know I felt a little smug reading that - who wouldn't? I'm an Airhead, btw.
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I love MBTI.

I'm an ESTP, "promoter without peer"
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That's a puzzle and a a half. First, you'd have to determine the MBTI individuals; then do some extensive testing - given. Of course everyone can do the things they don't prefer - this often results in conflicted behavior - but most will do what they have to, to survive.
On a side note, I don't have an easy time dealing with "concrete types" - how do you - on a daily basis?

This forum and the people on it would only constitute a tiny start on that subject - considering how many would fall into any specific type.
Then you'd be looking at: whether or not any individual's responses was the exception - what about bio chem? What if food intolerances (something I was looking at) plays a part in the effectiveness of any given mone? Blood type? What if these factors need to be determined first - to further specify MBTI types and responses?

Since abstract thought is commonly thought to be a 'higher function'; maybe it's not a matter of preference, but a matter of wiring? Then neurology plays a factor. Which is aspect is the largest bias or determining factor? You may be looking at so many sub-categories, (like accurate blood typing) as to be non-viable. What about nature vs nurture? The how and where someone is raised may have even more impact than all of the rest, as being the conditioned responses to survive in a given environment. Domestic environs vs the outside world. The suburb being conducive to safety or a violent area? A city with a cultural balance that's easy to develop interest in the abstract or a city in which just staying alive consumes the individuals thinking time? These could be factors in the process of learning 'what methods are useful to my survival'. Remembering when young, we often need to survive on our own; outside the influence sphere of those that are there to raise and protect us.

Is the "S" type response to the world at large their nature, or the result of learning how to cope with their immediate role models and the response of the surrounding culture to them?
well, lets say yes and no to all those questions.

check out this site that has some of Sheldon's work.
Tracking, Vol. 2, Part III, Chapter 8

He did correlations between physical charactoristics of people and their types.
He used I-E, S-U (U is N), and T-F in his dichotomy charts.

It's a bummer with the weight thing. Turns out that S is like a fatty curse. But the good thing is that the curse is more pronounced in men than women, women had much smaller variances than men. And I'm a man, and not an S type, so maybe I don't need to worry about fattening food anymore.

But, the MBTI is based on results of over 20 million, Sheldon's work only used like 50,000. So maybe it isn't the biggest population base for statistical analysis, but the results were observations.

I'm reading into the MBTI so much more lately. I got some more books besides Keirsey's Please Understand Me II. Which is awesome. You will understand all the stupid people in the world a little better after reading it, and think of them as not being as stupid as you once thought they were.

Some things are a matter of wiring. I think the S-N is what you are born with.

The other 3 preferences are learned in stages. One as a child, one as a puberty teen, and the last as an adolescent/adult. So you aren't born with all 4 letters, some are grown into, and some may be thrust upon you, but in the end it turns out that they aren't on you, it is you, and it can't change, well maybe it can, but it doesn't.

S to the concrete fatties y'all. I'm a big N.
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