PheroTalk

pparker73

  

Hey everyone,

What I want to understand with pheromones is that if you/I wear them, lets say a combo of Instant Honesty and Ammo, your standing with a few (male) friends and a girl walks past and 'stops' to chat she will direct her attention to the person with the pheromones? or will she?

My understanding is that the whole thing about girls giving looks and beig drawn to a guy wearing pheromones is all 'in the head' as because how can a girl across the room smell 'your' pheromones, and even if she does won't her attention go to nearest attractive male as she is now more open and aroused (going back to the above combo)? and not you?

So basically what im asking is if i spray pheromones on me and a girl smells them, what makes the girl come to me, draw herself to me and not any other random person/guy that is close by? It is one thing that the pheromones arouse and draw interest in the female (I dont doubt that) but pheromones cannot get that interest directed at you and not some innocent bystander can it? anyone in the vicinty could benefit from them right?

ntk23

  

There is at least one post somewhere on this forum where a dude says his pheromone signature was stolen by another guy standing nearby. I guess if you can, withdraw and approach the target girl if you can a bit. Even if it is just leaning in and back out again. This will help the subconscious association with yourself. Proximity = the effects increase, distance = the effects diminish.
This is analogous in my mind to certain PUA teachings like in the Mystery method where a pattern of advancing and retreating is recommended (not necessarily physical in that case...)

ntk23

  

Also: sillage. I don't know too much about this myself, maybe someone more expert will explain. I think it refers to directionality of smell, and the ability of the olfactory sense to discriminate in terms of what odour is coming from where. Basically I would say our sense of smell is a bit more sophisticated than we give it credit for...
But I guess we live in a primarily visual culture so we don't pay that much conscious attention to the finer aspects of our sense of smell.

360addict

  

Its all about congruency! Remember also that just spraying pheromones and standing with a group of friends is not going to help. They will be smelling the pheromones and possibly looking around to see where its coming from but they're are not police dogs. You have to the rest, even if its saying "hey babe, is it me your looking for?" LOL

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ntk23

  

and... what 360addict said. Personally speaking, with my recent experiences with pheromones, what with the self-effects and all, I couldn't not be congruent
You have raised an interesting issue too, got me thinking about why we have two nostrils, surely we must smell "in stereo", and just how fine is olfactory discrimination? I'm off to Google it all up

pparker73

  

So, what you are saying is that pheromones can travel to your desired target (by thought) and make them give you attention/interest? Instead of arousing them to some other person?

I agree with the fact that you have to initiate contact/conversation, but I was talking about the posts on here which have said " I got some looks from ..." "The hot girl from across the room smiled at me longer than usual" etc.

ntk23

  

Well, what I'm saying is it is possible to have your pheromones attributed to someone else if you are unlucky, especially if they are more congruent with the pheromone signature than you are, but that the human sense of smell is actually still quite sophisticated. If you are moving about a bit in your environment, just normally, not like some crazy social butterfly or anything, people should sense the intensity of the pheromones you are wearing - it will increase as you move in and diminish as you move away.
Forget about pheromones for a minute and suppose some dude smelt of, er, petrol or something at a party. If him and his mates just stood in one spot all the time, it's possible that people might attribute the smell to one of his mates, especially if his mate was dressed like a mechanic and the petrol-smelling guy was dressed like a white-collar worker. But given the normal flow of movement at a typical party, people should be able to pin the petrol smell to the right guy.
Where someone has written for example "The hot girl from across the room smiled at me longer than usual" - well, it is complicated. A combination of "making an entrance", maybe a state of being buoyed up by the self-effects, the atmosphere in a room palpably changing when a person with a strong phero-signature enters, and people are able to pin it on the phero wearer. If you'd like to name a case that you find puzzling by thread... well I don't claim I'll be able to explain it, I wasn't there after all - but if we're lucky the originator of the thread might be around to help us understand what went down that time.

MarkL

  

Yes, humans do "smell" in stereo; experiments have shown that we're fairly accurate at following a meandering trail of aroma, and likewise, that we can use left-right differences to home in on the direction of an aroma source.



As far as sillage goes -- literally "the wake or trail of a boat" -- it's worth remembering that to create a "wake" or trail, you need to be moving. Move slowly and create a "thicker" wake of phero-molecules. Race through a space and you will leave behind the thinnest concentration of pheros.

If you stand still or stay seated next to someone for an hour, both of you will be sitting almost equally in an invisible 'cloud' of pheros. Unless someone comes up close and deliberately sniffs each of you, there's some chance they cannot distinguish who is the source.

If you are being congruent with the phero-message, the interested/affected target would, according to the model, be focussed on you rather than the fellow next to you ... even if you're both "in the cloud" equally. But if you are not visibly congruent then the target might just respond to whoever is closest, or tallest, or wears eyeglasses, etc.

And ... be honest ... how likely is it that you're being congruent with the phero-message if you're just sitting there or standing there, watching to see if anyone reacts?

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ntk23

  

Ah yeah, meant to say also that I found this so far: it's the pop-science blog version of some stereo smell research that's been going on; I'll dig a little deeper for more on this subject because this interests me greatly, since I first chanced across Androtics

Humans can track smells just like dogs « Neurophilosophy

Good point about moving slowly, too, MarkL, I'll be sure to bear that in mind on my next excursion.

pparker73

  

Yes, these are all very good observations and thoughts. I wonder what would happen if a room full of people all wrore different pheromones, I bet that would cause chaos if they were all active and congruent.

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