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Old September 21st, 2017, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Major success story with Androstandienone

I've been seeing a 41 year old Filippina. I picked her up and brought her to my apartment. I had applied TUTH + P102 as my usual pre-date mix with her. Then she warned me that she was on the cusp of her period.

She was very grumpy and negative towards me, like I said something offensive.

After awhile I got out the A-1 and applied a strong dose to her upper lip.

10 minutes later she was smiling and pleasant company.

30 minutes later she was riding me bareback on the sofa and enjoying the typical multiple orgasms.

Another victory through Science!

Later that evening I had to avoid kissing her because I could still smell the A-! on her upper lip.
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enjoying the typical multiple orgasms.
Typical!

A-1 is not an Androtics product right? There are still stupid patent issues?
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Default Re: Major success story with Androstandienone

The patent expired a few years back - which is why there has been a surge in good A1 products from a number of other vendors in the last few years.

If you are considering A1 , K-Train's A1 Guide here is about the best place to start learning about it.
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Default Re: Major success story with Androstandienone

It was pure A-1 in alcohol, not a commercial branded formulation or mix.

I got it through the other major, serious vendor.

And yes, "typical multiple..."

That's why I had put up with her but I have since laid her off the harem.
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Default Re: Major success story with Androstandienone

Androstadienone is a great buffer for sexuals, can cause crushy/love/memory imprint and fallout feelings,be seen as more attractive, comfort and wanting to cuddle/touch, increases mood and cortisol in women etc.... It has some down sides, its been shown to cause less effects with ongoing exposure on the same person, ultimately they also start to detect the smell at lower dosages and it becomes a negative urinous smell instead of a pleasant one... Some men who have low testosterone or low serotonin get temp depression effects as well. It is unfortunately now way overused and these negatives were mostly forgotten as it was last posted 2010 so I'm bringing them up again now... There is no mention if any of the increased sensitivity is reversable without use....

pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7af2/00bde9b29a323e22a1d52059059841425a24.pdf

In general I dont recommend for 'daily' use blends, but occasional use with different targets so they dont become over sensitized, and for yourself if possible to apply on the back of neck to keep more frequently away from your own nose and to not use it constantly. There is no great alternative, P96 has some of the comfort without any of the negatives so can be used more frequently... With that all said, I would say that half of all my favorite blends over the past 8 years contain this so its just unfortunate it cant be used daily without eventual issues...

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"Some men who have low testosterone or low serotonin get temp depression effects as well."

Interesting point but where's your reference?

I'm pretty sensitive to the male side effects of A-1 but always test in the normal range for Test. Maybe low serotonin at times since I'll sometimes supplement with 5-HTP if I feel nervous.

Most pheromones lose effectiveness on targets with regular repeated exposures. A guy could even get tired of couplins - for a refractory period.
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Default Re: Major success story with Androstandienone

First, the increase in sensitivity/negative effects using A1 as per that research affects BOTH sexes that ultimately causes it to work less or not at all and a negative response to its smell. Its untested if this changes back over time with no exposure or is permanant once you become sensitive.. Not harmful, but just isnt good for constant use like many thought....

The likely separate issue of depression like effects are found in only SOME men, there are NO studies directly in that area so I did my own research and came up with my own theory... I believe that the real underlying problem is that a male with a low level of Serotonin when exposed to A1 causes a temporary same day - 2 days of lethargy and depression symptom. This goes away once levels balance back, its not causing permanent depression symptoms without exposures. Those males who are sensitive will show obvious negative mood effects on any exposure

A study of mice with low testosterone pointed me first to the possibility of the cause, that testosterone levels may actually be directly affecting serotonin levels (as some of the people who had the problem had low T). Low testosterone could potentially put men at risk for depression if low testosterone lowers serotonin levels. A1 may also instead be lowering serotonin without affecting testosterone by elevating hormones such as cortisol, the "stress hormone," and reducing serotonin and other neurotransmitters in the brain, including dopamine, which has been linked to depression. Temporary improvements to A1 exposure with exercise and diet changes can also be linked to serotonin boost.

So after some research I did find some supporting evidence:

A team from MedUni Vienna believes it has demonstrated that testosterone increases the number of proteins that transport serotonin into the brain.
Testosterone Supplementation May Increase Serotonin Levels in the Brain | MD Magazine

Androstadienone effects on cortisol and testosterone
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3661594/

So at this point my theory is that its a low serotonin issue....

Education purposes only, Ashwagandha 500mg (or 1000 later) seems to counter some effects of increased cortisol and lower testosterone... Astaxanthin has been shown to increase serotonin, and both are safe....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28424423

Vitamin D + Fish Oil also work somewhat and are safe... but D requires Magnesium, and lowers Potassium and Vitamin A so also need to be added and not mega doses or you risk deficiencies in those three other parts.

Vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids control serotonin synthesis and action, part 2: relevance for ADHD, bipolar, schizophrenia, and impulsive behavior

5-HTP or L-Tryptophan. L-Tryptophan is converted into the 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) and then increasing the level of serotonin in the brain.

When considering L-Tryptophan vs 5-HTP, 5-HTP is more effective, but over time your body may start to build a tolerance to the effects after awhile as your levels get back up. It also can cause serotonin to be created OUTSIDE the brain so definately not something to take long term or unmonitored just for the hell of it. L-Tryptophan is slightly lower in effect, but may be considered more safer and healthier for long term use after you get levels up short term with 5-HTP. L-Tryptophan supplements have less chance of interacting with meds then the use of 5-HTP. 5-HTP for when you are actually depressive or show negative effects short term under monitoring, and occasional L-Tryptophan for when you are not if you use A1 regularly and will convert as needed. Vitamin B6/P5P (active form) in small amounts and Magnesium (Glycinate form preferred) are needed for conversion if not in diet or else the serotonin wont get made.
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Androstadienone indeed lowers serotonin. When her serotonin is lower of course she will love you and of course you yourself will seek love and if you don't will be super depressed. Anyway p83 and beta androstenol combined with A1 does some damage. The good kind of damage. 5 htp is great but kava kava is better to keep you in parasympathetic mode and recharge. Most people go overboard with 5 htp, just 10-25mg of griffonia or 5htp is great but these shops mostly sell 50 mg min which can be an od right off the bat just like tuth or npa.
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I agree about using 5-HTP only on occasion. Also, your gut practically runs on serotonin. When I take the stuff, I can feel the gut excitement transverse my alimentary system with cramps.

And there is no good reason I can think of for a man to wear A-1 all the time. Maybe a couple of days out of 28 when your female intimate is most prone to PMS and you cannot find an excuse to go fishing or otherwise give her space.

So the obvious test is for some subject male who is sensitive to the negative effect of A-1 to take a concurrent dose of 5-HTP to see if that ameliorates the negative effects.

Any volunteers? Next time I have a need for A-1 I might try it but multiple subjects would be more meaningful. Just don't hold your breath since I use A-1 rarely.
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I've done it and the only way I could handle A-1 in high doses when I wore raw A1 from love-scent many years ago. I've never been that depressed in my life even though it was making women around me hyper and feel good. I started using 5 htp because I read somewhere that alpha males have high serotonin. Too much is terrible. I once made a mistake of combining st johns wort with 100 mg 5htp and I sweated all night and felt like I was dying. I couldn't sit still and walked in circles through my whole house till I passed out 5 hours later.
So one must be careful with that herbal combo.
I also use dial magnetic when I'm out of A1 and it makes my dad super depressed around me while just making me just mellow, he is one of those people who almost never shows sadness so I was shocked. I still take 5 htp a few times a month but not like before when I used to wear 6-7 drops of pure A1 . I don't seem to need it as much anymore as I eat a lot of good carbs and protein. The major depressing feeling while wearing high doses of A1 I feel unaccomplished and sometimes worthlessness and have an urge to sweat and toil to have a better life. This is good and masculine trait but too much can get out of whack and make you feel worthless and question your worth as a human. A-1 for sure has uses and p83 seems to help it alot. 3 women have told me they loved me after only a few hrs with a p83 A1 combo, A1 is love and sadness in a bottle while altering serotonin levels for sure I feel.
Maybe p83 and things like shine boosts sero or dopamine while nols and rone work on gaba? No idea.
My father when exposed to A-1 blurted out one day that he could have done a lot of successful things and how gambling caused him a lot of problems in life. I couldn't see him like this so I went back and showered with regular soap twice, alternating hot and cold water, when I came back he was speaking much more relaxed and carefree.
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