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Old November 4th, 2016, 03:28 PM   #11
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I will order and test these things anyway for the hell of it on me and my wife especially the nude one and am curious how this will go for a guy wearer .

So for the oil version I would like to see some type of hybrid mix of Ammo , IShine , and P96 , and possibly even TAC as IMO that would be very useable for young and old alike.

Another one would be MX274 in an oil version but a universal scent to make it useable for men and women alike.

I am excited to for this and very much needed.
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They need to be unscented. I'm a masculine guy, and do not like smelling like Neroli. I have my own collection of colognes, and I want to put their natural smell to use. Not faded neroli + 1 million intense.
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I am excited to for this and very much needed.
Well, you guys are in luck because of the Stealth, and for women, Nude, non-fragrance launches. These are based on the #1 and #2 rated Stealth MXs that were previously released.

BIG NEWS! Launch of Stealth v1.0 and Nude v1.0 non-scent, non-fragrance packages

They are barely scented, except for the odor of pheromone themselves. Which, of course, is substantial if it's an androstenone based product. For other pheromones, it's generally insignificant or even pleasant

Due to the nature of how these enhancers are designed, they also have the interesting side effect of enhancing the smell of whatever cologne you use with them. Should you choose to use one, of course, which you don't have to. The whole point of the Stealth and Nude additives is to remove the need for a cologne at all.

Neroli will likely sunset in 2017. It had a noble aim, which was to both enhance diffusion and to cover the scent of the smellier pheromones with something neutral (orange). But we can now do that with other things.
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Ammo , IH (Granted it isn't astronomically priced), P96 (must), P83 , & IS. They need to be unscented. I'm a masculine guy, and do not like smelling like Neroli . I have my own collection of colognes, and I want to put their natural smell to use. Not faded neroli + 1 million intense.

I've almost entirely stopped using sprays because oils feel more natural to me. The hits come off as more "it is me causing this" not "WAM WTF just happened"

Noticed https://androticsdirect.com/product.php?productid=52 and similar products when changing productID in the URL. We need these too. This would be awesome, no other vendor provides this.

Maybe bring back the Rev 23 A314 that people clamor about but I haven't had the chance to try. Also the Naturelle and Royalle A314 . Everything has its purpose.

PM me for more input.

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As to some other things you mentioned, the current revision of A314 is basically the same as 23. It is a massively complex mix, though, so there comes to be factors involved that are literally beyond our control. When you take a large number of pheromones (or any chemicals, really), all with slightly different synthesis methods and processes used over the years, then those small changes add up -- regardless of how precise the chemists doing the synthesis are. But what's even more profound is how the natural components change. There's no standardization of nature itself. There's "no best practices guide" that nature always follows.

It's the simpler products that are easy to revert to. Things with natural components, especially, are really products of when they are made. A vintage. That's why the French mark natural products with the year they were made or bottles, and they talk extensively about terroir (the land). They're right, too. It's not just a funny French quirk. Nobody has tight control over the epigenetics of anything natural quite yet. If they did, farming wouldn't be so complex.

As far as sexual mixes go -- we do actually have quite a few, but they're mostly in the experimental MX system. Such as MX292 / MX353 and Project UF .

We were the first social pheromone company, our two first products being A314 (Trust & Respect) and Come Talk To Me (purely social and bonding). The goal was to create products for practical, every day purposes. Elevate every day life, turn life into an adventure. That kind of thing. We only carried sexual products at all when we started our own store, because that's what people expected of pheromones. Customers demanded it, and thought our initial lack of sexual products was weird.

Of course, sex is practical. In my mind, anyway! And obviously yours, haha. However, our founder originally felt it would be different to go elsewhere for such things. He even used to recommend products from other companies for that purpose.

I know we don't want to become a typical pheromone company, but I'll still keep your feedback in mind. I'll encourage others here to take it to heart.

Some of the test mixes I've personally used are really crazy. So I know we have the sex tech! Just not sure I can get the others to go along with a big focus on it. Hey, but I can try

In our archives, we also have a very all-in-one product which had nearly everything on as you said. It was offered to just a few users back in 2009 or so, called AXS. Had A314 as the core, with tons of socials and empathy builders added. Continued the "all access pass" type theme A314 had, thus the name.

It was extremely expensive back then, though, which is what I think stopped us from releasing it everybody. Our founder always had sort of very classical ideas of both quality and affordability, which don't lend themselves as much to the modern world and how things are done now. I also know costs of chemicals have gone up about 4x on average since 2003. We also stopped using the affordable chemicals from China shortly after we went direct more than a decade ago, which is just not practical when you sell to every day consumers in today's market. I have no idea how much inputs have gone up since 2009, specifically, but I bet it's still a lot. I bet it'd be excruciatingly expensive to produce today.

There's basically no Moore's law in effect with anything we buy to run this business, as much as we wish there was. Even some of the cloud services we buy have gone up by shocking amounts, for seemingly no reason. One feedback tool we really like, made of just bits and electrons, went from $99 a seat to $499 a seat per month. We've been completely priced out of it. Our economy is really strange right now. I think Silicon Valley's effect on nearly every major population center on the west coast is starting to do more harm than good in many ways. They're "disrupting" a lot more than software.

Of course, the way we source our chemicals from the exclusively from these super high end, academic chemists makes for an especially odd and difficult business model. I understand the original point. It's because the forum was supposed to serve hardcore enthusiasts and scientists. We introduced dosing itself to the market, and to make the concept complete, we needed the straightforwardness and repeatability only domestic chemicals could provide. However, we really serve far more than enthusiastics and scientists on a daily basis.

At this point, I think we really need more of a consumer focus, and to source from China. Make some of these things more reachable. So I hear ya. A lot of new blood here wants similar things.

If we end up doing that, it'll take awhile, even if we want it to be fast. It's been an endless quality struggle to even get decent bottles from domestic suppliers that source from China, which is why our new bottle is straight from the quality king of Europe. But I think it's important we do it, anyway. I think a volume, consumer oriented, mass market approach would really better match what the bulk of our users want.

If we end up doing that, I know we'll probably make some strange transitionary products in the process. Like that half amazing, half awkward Macbook Pro Apple just released, haha. When you make big changes, it's like being a teen all over again. Products seem to go through teen type cycles, too. Some awkward moments from here to there. But I personally think the transition would be worth it. The way we are is not just scalable, and from what I understand wasn't even supposed to scale to how we are now. With the ever increasing costs of doing business, and costs of inputs, our current model is ever more impractical. Now that we're finally fulfilling some of the long term requests of our users with the oil products, it's soon time for some more transitions, too, methinks.

It'd take some time, I know that. But at least for now we're putting out more of what people have asked for years. From the oils to the stealth package. Hopefully we can go to the next logical steps after that. Maybe better get into a position where we can put out more massive all-in-one mixes that are practical. That kind of thing.

Lastly, thanks for the PM invite. I appreciate that.

I'd take you up on it, but with the DDOS against the women's category, I've been busy trying to boot a secondary cart to handle that. We all have. That's one of those annoying things you don't want to deal with, but you have to. And then there's the normal, much more expected parts of oil launch to deal with, which is quite involved itself. But I think your ideas are very practical! Hopefully when things are calmer around here, we can talk sometime. Thanks again!
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Others I'd like to see in oil? MX353 , IJ and P75 . Not a shadow of a doubt! A TAC oil would be interesting too. I agree that the Royale should be offered as an option for A314 along with the current rev.
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GREAT move on the oil line, much appreciated!

Products I'd love in oil include the Royale, awesome for romantic use, P96 , IH , P83 (if this will hit hard enough with the slower diffusion and closer-to-skin silage in oil?) and definitely MX353 ..

What about releasing a small test batch of 1:1 TUTH / TAC mix in oil? I think this would have the potential to be a killer bedroom product which would also be usable on younger women than alcohol-based TUTH .

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Thanks for the great list. You got it!

1. MX353. I don't how often we can repeat it due to the rarity of one of the molecules, but we can do a limited run of it. Although we'll have to change the MX # to accomodate for the carrier and un-fragrance change.

2. Instant Jerk. You sure?? Haha, you're a daring one! It's also going to have a very strong smell from the androstenone . You can handle that?

3. A314 Royale is one of my all time favorites, too. I'd love to see it come back.

I think the next one up in the queue is Stealth A314 , though, and it takes much longer to batch A314 than any other product. But that will have a scent even when it's un-fragranced. A very nice one from the androsterone, but I worry about the androstenone and some of the other molecules.

4. TAC/Molecule C we can do, but fixed dosage for now. What dosage would you think would work best at first? We might even be able to do 2 dosages of the more popular molecules. (of which Molecule C is one of them)
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Products I'd love in oil include the Royale, awesome for romantic use, P96 , IH , P83 (if this will hit hard enough with the slower diffusion and closer-to-skin silage in oil?) and definitely MX353 ..

What about releasing a small test batch of 1:1 TUTH / TAC mix in oil? I think this would have the potential to be a killer bedroom product which would also be usable on younger women than alcohol-based TUTH .

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Thanks for the kind words, and the great feedback!

1. We can do the P96, Honesty, P83.

2. A limited run of MX353, updated for Stealth (and given a new MX # to account for the carrier/un-frag change), should be possible. Given the rarity of one or two of the molecules, though (I don't remember how many are rare), I don't know if this can be a consistent release.

3. What dosage of P96 and P83 would make the most sense?

4. TUTH/TAC combo may be possible in a 100 bottle batch, if enough people are interested. I'll have to check on it. Would that be alright in Stealth unfragranced? The androstenone is going to smell quite a bit.

5. Second vote for Royale. It can make it's way back, depending on the availability of the naturals. I'm glad you guys liked that! I did, too.

Of course, Royale is a natural fragrance package, so this won't be made in Stealth. We could use the Stealth package in it, anyway, as it'll boost it. It should (or will) smell even better, but it may end up being a bit too strong effects-wise for younger men. We can leave it out, of course.

Maybe this can be better answered when more people have experience with the Stealth package.
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Thanks for the kind words, and the great feedback!

1. We can do the P96, Honesty, P83.

2. A limited run of MX353, updated for Stealth (and given a new MX # to account for the carrier/un-frag change), should be possible. Given the rarity of one or two of the molecules, though (I don't remember how many are rare), I don't know if this can be a consistent release.

3. What dosage of P96 and P83 would make the most sense?

4. TUTH/TAC combo may be possible in a 100 bottle batch, if enough people are interested. I'll have to check on it. Would that be alright in Stealth unfragranced? The androstenone is going to smell quite a bit.

5. Second vote for Royale. It can make it's way back, depending on the availability of the naturals. I'm glad you guys liked that! I did, too.

Of course, Royale is a natural fragrance package, so this won't be made in Stealth. We could use the Stealth package in it, anyway, as it'll boost it. It should (or will) smell even better, but it may end up being a bit too strong effects-wise for younger men. We can leave it out, of course.

Maybe this can be better answered when more people have experience with the Stealth package.
The lowest dose I have found to get cooperation among everyone is 15mcg. I think I've tested at 10, but 15 is substantially better. I use 30MCG opposed to 15MCG because the connection more than doubles IMO. At 60MCG, I get the feeling that girls around me feel comfortable enough around me that they're able to feel like the crush they had when they were 6 is being recreated

15 MCG per drop is the best dose with the widest range of possibilities.

Molecule A is in a 5ML bottle, is CTTM in a 5ML too? It doesn't say on the product page.

Not sure about how many drops per 5ML are in the bottles.

I normally buy single molecule oils in 10ML doses, so that's something you should consider.

A 15MCG, 10ML P96 oil @ $70 would be ideal
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Super to hear!

The MX353 mix in oil would be a KILLER. The Stealth tech sounds like a awesome add-on, too. Hope it can be done, I owe quite a few great memories to MX353 , haha!

For P96 I think it would make sense to dose it at 10 mcg per drop, since there seems to be an effect which is different in low doses from that of a higher dose. For the P83 25 mcg per drop would be a good starting point, I think.

I guess TAC / TUTH could be covered with a good cologne.. it would be impossible to add something like Akuto or Himalaya-scent to it? Those seems to cover pheromone-smell quite well.

Oh, a Stealth-add to Royale would be a fantastic experiment! Personally, I see effects at 1,5 drops solo with Royale, if a young guy would have to use only a single drop he should just be happy about the added longevity of his Royale bottle
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Hello Brian,

What new products do you recommend?

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