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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:57 AM   #21
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Out of respect for some of the members of the Aspergers community and this is by no means any drive to chastise you or anyone else here.I am simply doing what I feel is right here.Please forgive me that.

The feelings are there its just the understanding of social function that's lacking.
Basically its kind of like this the brain is a computer most brains learn the hows and whys of social things growing up the Aspergian brain doesn't learn those things.It simply was never programmed and is incompatible with the os.This does not mean there is a lack of feeling or caring but an inadequacy in how to express those feelings or a complete inability without being specifically taught and even then sometimes there's that logic gap. Someone who's blunted not emotionally dead people not understanding you its confusing and frustrating.I've known couples where one had Aspergers and the other didn't and the one with Aspergers kept striving to understand their emotional counterpart and vice versa for the "normal" person.

Sociopaths get off on hurting people. People with Aspergers don't understand they're hurting people I know its a hard concept but so is social anxiety for people who are social or ptsd for people who haven't seen heavy crap go down..

I have a flat enough affect that my family was concerned I had Aspergers for awhile and I had to actually go talk to people that did have the spectrum disorder.Definitely emotions there they love their science their cats, their things that go vrrooom.Specialized in one area or another.

I am not saying that some sociopaths couldn't have Aspergers or Aspergerish traits.

However, the "insensitivity" with people that have Aspergers is a lack of social logic to process emotions not a way to logic around them or rationalize personal wants as RIGHT because that's what they want and only their wants matter.

Just speaking up for some friends I made during that time who were damn good people despite not understanding that a joke was supposed to make one smile or laugh.Actually most people with Aspergers would just ask you what you mean by that or try to explain to you how pigs can't really fly or any number of oddities .

To this date I have not met a "bad" person with Aspergers though like i said before I'm sure there are bad people in that group too. I have known actors and scientists and engineers and Vet assistants heck even wedding planners.It is when it is at its best the unflappable mind not the twisted mind at its worst its like having a hypersensitive toddler around.

Sociopaths..

To put it this way its like Vulcans VS Romulans.

I think everyone can get that particular analogy.

That is all. Live long and prosper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
I know its not a dsmv or anything but its fair accurate none the less.

I have nothing if not empathy for this situation I had a spazz fit of my own when I found out.Damn man just damn.I don't even know what to say.

All I have to say really is that sociopath or not if you aren't here to be a proactive memebr of this community and you don't walk in the door with goodness in your heart take a bleeping hike.

There is no home here for darkness.
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WOW I am so saddened to hear this news. I read up on the other thread about the attacks on Jasmin. To have it happen again is horrible. I certainly hope that everyone is ok. Its crazy to be attacked. Just yesterday I got a call from my credit card company. Somehow my card was used to make several purchases internationally. It is a card I very rarely use. I felt so violated, but I could not imagine being attacked so close to home. Especially around my family. My heart goes out to her. As well as everyone else there. I have not been here that long like many others, but I see how you treat everyone like family. I cannot understand how someone could get a sense of pleasure by hurting someone that tries to create happiness and joy in others lives. I will certainly check out this book. I will pray for you all, Jasmin and her children. I don't wish ill on many but I hope whoever is responsible will get everything they deserve and more from our legal system. Especially several "personal" attacks from fellow inmates while they are in prison.
Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate that.

Yes, it's horrible to be violated by anyone, for any reason. Your credit card (I'm definitely sorry to hear about that), your ... well, your whatever. Whenever someone initiates something against you that could be harmful, that they do not have explicit permission for, that is indeed a violation.

It's especially sad since people are mostly good. Yet it's these few incidences by even fewer people tend to make us distrustful of ALL people -- the good ones included! That is wrong, when it is really the few who harm the many.

The fact is that we exist every day alongside our neighbors because we give other people freedom to basically do whatever they want, unless it somehow hurts us in a substantial way. Really hurts us in some tangible way, something that goes beyond "violating" our opinions and personal preferences.

No one is psychic and will know 100% of the time what will hurt others. However, normal people, when they detect hurt, will change their behavior in a way to ensure it doesn't easily happen again. Most people older people with enough experience to know better, will go out of their way pre-emptively to actually avoid hurting others.

It's sad to think that while most of us do this, some are lacking this essential mechanism. To be able to hurt someone, even by not accident, and not experience some guilt that drives us to be better people next time... that's almost unthinkable.
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To put it this way its like Vulcans VS Romulans.

I think everyone can get that particular analogy.

That is all. Live long and prosper.
I love that you are apparently so innocent that you think everyone will get a Trekkie reference. "I think everyone will get that particular analogy". Wowwww. I don't know about "everyone", but Trekkies will likely get it.

I like that analogy. That's a good show overall, too. I haven't seen the new movie, but the old Star Treks shows definitely provided a very thorough multi-dimensional look at ethics.

Aside from exploring "outer space", they certainly explored the spaces in our heads and our hearts. It was a good exploration of how we could even do our best to get along with people, planetary ecosystems, and races that don't even exist yet.

Even Spock had a heart (or least showed signs of it), because to him, being good was was just "being logical".

Lots of life's lessons in there, especially as it deals with new technologies that could just as easily be used to hurt people as they are to help people. Maybe in some subconconscious way, all of those Star Trek episodes I watched once upon a time are somehow part of my psychological drivers even now.

I hope today's kids have something equivalent.
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I don't even care about the credit card. Its the fact I safeguard all of my personal info. My phone number is a cell phone that is under another name yet somehow someone was able to get it. The number is not even on my credit report. I do not give it to anyone except friends or family. I also got a call from a company in canada thanking me for opening an account with them. That scared me. The internet is so helpful but such an easily misused tool by evil people.
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This is the shit that happens when you can search online for someone's name, and buy their info for a certain "fee" with important listings like phone numbers, and addresses (possibly even private info that is unlisted too.) Like www.usa-people-search.com, where all you need is their name and the city where they live and you can buy their info. Sucks.

So if a sociopath wanted to, he could just type in Michael's full name and the city where he resides in and he/she can just buy the info. Animals!

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I have not been able to read this entire thread in details I just got home a little while ago, and saw that Jasmin family was attacked again that really sucks and is horrible.

I am not sure if you can answer, but do you know who is doing it and if so can LE arrest them?

If you cannot answer it I understand. Wish there was more we can able to help.
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Interesting.

So you're saying a sociopath would be unable to change, whereas one with Asperger's could make a conscious effect to learn the perceptual spectrum of the rest of us, and thus become sensitive to the impact of their behaviors?

They had a fascinating book, huge book, that showed them with pictures and captions how to "act normal". Since losing contact with this individual, I've been (casually enough) trying to find that book ever since. Haven't found it yet.

I figure it could be of some aid to some of the people here, or heck, even just understanding body language and supposedly "normal" human functioning overall. Not one of us is 100% "normal", so it was a fascinating book, indeed. Like some sort of insanely meta "Miss Manners" guide.

So you're in a psych class, or are you something heavier, like Quantico?

Would you know of that book, btw?

Wow, you're telling me!


Yes, I'm glad LE is active, too. It's too damn slow for my tastes sometimes, considering how impulsive and fast acting sociopaths are, but you're right... at least they do grind exceedingly fine. They're thorough as all get out, which is good.
To my knowledge, a sociopath would be unable to change, unaided with therapy and medication. Similarly, individuals with Aspergers/Autism need assistance of a different sort, such as modeling and behavior modification. The difference being that a therapy and medication of sociopaths is one type of attempt at changing behavior, while the Aspergers/Autism is more of a learning process. I do know of books like you mention, but there are now computer modeling of facial expressions to teach those with the Aspergers/Autism disorder how to read and understand the human emotions in social settings from peoples' faces.

For instance the difference with a sociopath would be that they could see and identify a feeling in an individual, such as happiness, anger and confusion whereas an individual with Aspergers/Autism would simply not understand the visual cues to identify the feeling they observe in others. A sociopath can, but might not care. To my knowledge, if I had to sum it up, a sociopath understands but doesn't care, and an individual with Aspergers/Autism doesn't care, but doesn't understand in the first place.

Your recollection of the book is accurate as that was a tool for years and in many cases still is, but software has take over from books and flash cards in some cases. The difference is that this is a training of observed emotional states of other individuals and the conditioned response is not one of understanding but of training. My belief is that such individuals are like those told to repeat words and phrases in a foreign language, it might make sense, but there is no actual understanding. I hope that makes sense.

I wish I was at Quantico. I'd be all Patriot Act on these guys and have them not see daylight for several years.

I have some experience with LE, secondary at that, but in situations as I think you are describing, they don't necessarily think they share all information in an effort to achieve a certain outcome. I'll hope that's true.

As to sociopaths, mine was a situation that I couldn't recognize as that type of behavior until reflecting on it, even though I was *told* the behavior was unnerving to those around me. I know you understand, but to those that dont' I hope never experience it, it is as though they are under the influence and are acting off or oddly, but it is almost like you can't believe this is happening. It is a strange experience to say the least.

One of the most difficult issues with dealing with a sociopath is the "why issue". Understanding the mind of a sociopath is difficult to those that attempt to use reason and logic, as those parameters just have little function in their world. Their motivations will differ and likely will not make sense to us.
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This is the shit that happens when you can search online for someone's name, and buy their info for a certain "fee" with important listings like phone numbers, and addresses (possibly even private info that is unlisted too.) Like www.usa-people-search.com, where all you need is their name and the city where they live and you can buy their info. Sucks.

So if a sociopath wanted to, he could just type in Michael's full name and the city where he resides in and he/she can just buy the info. Animals!
Unfortunately its true. I have access to this information and my employer uses these services. I use them on a daily basis. However my info registers to another city and has me aged 15 years older than I truly am. Lol. The reports I can pull on someone show all of their names all of their addresses current and previous. Any cars the own or have owned. Any aresst or court info. What is crazy is it pulls the names of all of their family members and their addresses and neighbors names and their addresses and numbers. Plus numbers of any one that they are thought to be associated with. It shows cell numbers as well as landlines. There are ways of avoiding these however it is dificult.
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Wow. Michael, as a network/voice/security administrator/engineer for a Tier 2 retailer, I can tell you I HATE HATE HATE PCI. If they'd make the fvcking credit cards more secure, none of this would be necessary. Funny how the ones with the real problem (visa/mastercard) are mandating the customers (the retails) are the ones that change their security practices.

If I can offer any advice, it's that you should be compliant for standards they're going to set, not ones they have in place. It's such a pain to re-engineer a moving train, as you're finding out. (We're overhauling our e-commerce site for that region.)

To give people a taste of what PCI is all about, if you put your credit card number in the search box for a site that takes credit cards and the resulting page returns that credit card number back to you saying "no results found for <cc number>" : the site isn't complaint. Let's say you do a gift card balance inquiry at Best Buy and put your CC in there. If it says "invalid card number" and displays your CC number on the page, it aint compliant. There are some good security practices that need to be enforced, but there's a lot of BS crowding the mandate. It's a major major pain, and the security is extremely flawed. (Requiring visitors have badges, but not requiring any security for the badges, like name/photo id.)

I hope if you're hosting your website somewhere else that compliance is a little easier. It sucks when you have your ecommerce onsite, sharing the network.

As far as the sociopath, you may have one thing on your side. Those people rarely can help themselves. He/she/it will eventually make a mistake that will lead to his/her/its undoing.

Jasmine, thanks for all the help you've given me (us.) I hope you can feel safe enough to return someday. Take care of yourself and your fam.
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Now THAT is scary, no wonder creditors sometimes call your neighbors.

Think about it though, this is how the sociopath celebrity stalkers probably do it, I'm sure you can type in a celebrity name and get their info if they haven't already blocked their info. I typed in Paris Hilton just for kicks, and yeah her info shows up for a fee.

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Unfortunately its true. I have access to this information and my employer uses these services. I use them on a daily basis. However my info registers to another city and has me aged 15 years older than I truly am. Lol. The reports I can pull on someone show all of their names all of their addresses current and previous. Any cars the own or have owned. Any aresst or court info. What is crazy is it pulls the names of all of their family members and their addresses and neighbors names and their addresses and numbers. Plus numbers of any one that they are thought to be associated with. It shows cell numbers as well as landlines. There are ways of avoiding these however it is dificult.
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