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Old January 13th, 2006, 09:14 PM   #41
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honestly, i haven't picked up on any potential personal mood enhancement benefits yet. i've read several statements to that effect, i've tried various amounts from 1-3 sprays in different locations and trying to stay unbiased to the stated effects isn't particularly easy. sure i would think it was great if it helped in all the ways previously mentioned but it hasn't affected me in either a positive or negative way yet so the only thing i can report is that above. keep in mind that i have very minimal time with I.S. exposure so far.
Interesting.

I'm well aware of the influence of stated effects. That's why we usually don't state anything at all, unless we're received enough of the same reports.

Nonetheless, I guess we'll see how many people it has subjective mood effects on as more and more Shine users come onboard. Ultimately, everyone is unique, so there are always exceptions to everything.

There's also a focus issue, sometimes. Some people are better at picking up on effects on themselves (I'm in this category), and others are better at picking up on effects on others people... or even groups.

May I ask, do any pheromones enhance your own mood? Or make you feel more confident?

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if i can expect more reactions similar to the woman in the market that i mentioned previously then that alone is worth the price of admission, if it enhances my mood i'll feel like i got the bonus plan.
Yeah, it's good for your purposes nonetheless.

At least you're not reporting negative effects on your own mood, like men tend to report with androstadienone.

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sure, i prefer submissive women and i'll qualify that by saying confidently submissive not meek and insecure submissive. considering the way she left her original line to search for something and ending up finding something to touch right next to me along with standing with the toes of her shoes literally touching my heels when there was no one behind her, i would have initially looked to guide her and test for submissive qualities in her personality.
You're right. That's quite a bit of personal space invasion, especially given the circumstances.

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simply stated, i would have told her which cookies to buy and gauged her initial reaction and gone from there. since i didn't follow up on this one there really is no telling how it may have gone down BUT, if she didn't challenge or question my choice i would have forgotten about that one altogether, if she asked why she should get the cookies i suggested and then added them to her basket i would have been on it in a heartbeat.
This reminds me of stage hypnotist/magicians who test the resistance of a group of people to suggestion.

They have a group of say, 10 people, line up in row and have them hold their hands out. Then the performer will then slap their hands down in series, and gauge who's hand down went down the easiest. They'll pick that person to cluck like a chicken or sing like Michael Jackson, or what have you.

Your resistance testing is very interesting.

So you can further talk about the kind of confident submission you'd want in a women?

I wrongly figured you'd say you'd prefer it she just took your suggestion, rather than question your cookie choice.

I, myself, don't like submissive women. A woman I'd like would definitely ask about my choices. Cooperative, I like (somemone who'll work with you). Completely submissive, no.

Your preference for confident, submissive woman is intriguing to me. I don't think I fully understand it.

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like you said, she was open, to me or to something.
I know we work from different perceptives on this, which is why I find your contributions so interesting.

To me, women attract, and men act. i.e., Women make themselves available to you and it's up to you, as a man, to act. I think this is very traditional.

On the other hand, you're good at getting women initiate more. Which is great!

Now that I know your preference is for submissive women, it's actually all the more interesting.

I mean, heck, if you can get SUBMISSIVE women to initiate, through social proof and whatnot, you really are hitting upon some very powerful psychological triggers.

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the fact that it was chocolate cookies that she settled on and not the basket of garlic or the power bars that were also right there tells me a lot about her state of mind.
yep! That sure does.

Many people use comfort food to satisfy sexual cravings.

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something drew her over to my space, ya i'm a handsome guy and my smile and dimples are chick magnets but in this circumstance they weren't being turned on in her direction, i wasn't attracted to her and, in her early 50's she was just slightly out of my preferred age range of early 30's to mid 40's.
Very good point. If she can't see you, there isn't that visual attraction.

Most evidence points towards our sense of smell having developed first, anyway. We may pay most most conscious attention what we see, but our life revolves around smell. Even our cells smell what other cells are healthy or sick, friend or foe (they can't see, after all).
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Old January 14th, 2006, 01:35 AM   #42
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May I ask, do any pheromones enhance your own mood? Or make you feel more confident?
well, if anything does come along and make me feel more confident i think the world would explode.

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This reminds me of stage hypnotist/magicians who test the resistance of a group of people to suggestion.

They have a group of say, 10 people, line up in row and have them hold their hands out. Then the performer will then slap their hands down in series, and gauge who's hand down went down the easiest. They'll pick that person to cluck like a chicken or sing like Michael Jackson, or what have you.

Your resistance testing is very interesting.

that might have something to do with the fact that a very close adult personal friend of mine when i was a teen happened to be a world famous magician/stage hypnotist. even though i didn't realize it at the time, i've picked up on so many of his stage routines/mannerisms/suggestions that i could probably go into the stage hypnotist/hypnotherapist field myself.

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So you can further talk about the kind of confident submission you'd want in a women?

I wrongly figured you'd say you'd prefer it she just took your suggestion, rather than question your cookie choice.

I, myself, don't like submissive women. A woman I'd like would definitely ask about my choices. Cooperative, I like (somemone who'll work with you). Completely submissive, no.

Your preference for confident, submissive woman is intriguing to me. I don't think I fully understand it.
what i consider confident submission is willingly giving up to the experience. i think we've probably all had women who we just know we are going to have sex with but they make us fight for it, as if they would be judged as too easy or slutty if they didn't. they are always fighting and struggling with themselves during sex, trying to maintain control over themselves while simultaneously giving up to a shared experience. it doesn't mean the sex is bad, but it never reaches the levels of two people becoming completely self-less, together.

if i chose the woman who just accepted my directions verbatim, i would just end up "steamrollering" her. she would be devoured in a matter of hours and probably never care to hear from her type again. they don't have anything to offer, meek and timid they hesitate to ask for what they want and usually don't even know what it is that they want.

the woman who questions my suggestion and then accepts it on the other hand, she is the type of woman who wants to understand, and questioning my suggestion and then accepting it validates me and opens the door to increasingly adult suggestions which ultimately are seen by her as things that she wanted to share and not something that i simply took from her.


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To me, women attract, and men act. i.e., Women make themselves available to you and it's up to you, as a man, to act. I think this is very traditional.

On the other hand, you're good at getting women initiate more. Which is great!

Now that I know your preference is for submissive women, it's actually all the more interesting.

I mean, heck, if you can get SUBMISSIVE women to initiate, through social proof and whatnot, you really are hitting upon some very powerful psychological triggers.
that traditional view, while probably historically accurate, is being challenged all the time. my experience is that a woman that is "led to act"
feels empowered and overwhelmed and is much more likely to give it up.

there's really nothing like seeing a woman blush and hearing her say something like, "i've never done this before" or "i've never been so forward before" etc. and just knowing from the look on her face that she is being honest.

women get hit on so often its ridiculous, point of fact. even the most brutally ugly pear shaped woman has kids. they have become accustomed to obnoxious opening pickup lines and are ready willing and able to shut down anything that even remotely resembles a pick up. they know that every guy wants sex so they get to pick and choose. it really doesn't take all that much to appear different under those circumstances and then fly in under the radar.
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