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Old January 2nd, 2018, 05:36 PM   #11
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I apply A314 with a drop to the finger then put it where I want.
Sometimes I go direct to the wrist.
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I would define fallout at its most basic as a product that will make women come to you and ititiate physical contact.

IG will do this. It is often very beta and outright feminine. Women love it. Men have described the unscented odor as feminine to me.*

I don't think the original A314 was driven by any special molecules. I do think a touch of andostenone is required. Perfect balance of the core molecules I think is at the heart here. 3 molecules were doing most of the work IMHO. Best guess.

These are my findings from several years of often tedious rone testing. Rone is one of the worst molecules there is on its own. I do think the company could make the best fallout -type product on the market.

I am not persuaded A314 is 80% alpha androsterone. I think it works because of the stereochemistry of the primary molecules.

* I modify the diffusion and dose of IG to more closely match physiologic norms as originally reported in the Erox patents 20 years ago. Nanomolar amounts. Your mileage may vary.

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I have a question that is abit off topic but I don't feel like making a while new thread.

So the A314A and A314B sprays come in the 5mL to go bottles.
The description tells us the one spray would be equivalent to one drop pf A314 for the B side and the A one is alittle more than one drop power for one spray...
Now historically a tester spray (to go) is said to be half a normal spray.
Is it a test spray that's the strength of a drop or a regular spray.
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I have a question that is abit off topic but I don't feel like making a while new thread.

So the A314A and A314B sprays come in the 5mL to go bottles.
The description tells us the one spray would be equivalent to one drop pf A314 for the B side and the A one is alittle more than one drop power for one spray...
Now historically a tester spray (to go) is said to be half a normal spray.
Is it a test spray that's the strength of a drop or a regular spray.
First, A to go spray volume actually is about 80% of that from a 30ml, such as comparing a togo spray of Ammo vs a 30ml spray of Ammo .

There is no current 30ml of A314 sprays, only togos. They are comparing the potency of 1 5ml togo spray vs a drop of the regular oil.

Keep in mind that the spray is alcohol based, and alcohol will always have slightly more impact due to the better diffusion. This may cause stronger self effects and more immediate impact on others with a greater range. It also starts working faster then the oil. The drawbacks are that it lasts for a shorter timeframe, such as 5-6 hours and so would need to be reapplied more often costing far more money overall if you are using it regularly. It also can hit too hard and in your face on others outside of say a club/bar. Oil can hit more realistically and naturally due to its slower diffusion, and will last longer. In this particular product, oil does very well.

1 spray of A314b actually has less actual pheromones then a drop of oil, but with the alcohol, they consider the potency to be about a drop of oil.

The a version has about the same amount of pheormones as a drop of oil, but with the alcohol its way more impact then a drop and may be too much for some. Higher impact isnt always better especially with heavy sexual or status mixes, it can be too intimidating, or harsh.

You should find about the same results but in actual testing may just need a bit more oil then the equivalent number of sprays they suggest in comparison. I just bought the latest rev of the oil and am back in the A314 insider's club... Dancing on Fridays lol...

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First, A to go spray volume actually is about 80% of that from a 30ml, such as comparing a togo spray of Ammo vs a 30ml spray of Ammo .

There is no current 30ml of A314 sprays, only togos. They are comparing the potency of 1 5ml togo spray vs a drop of the regular oil.

Keep in mind that the spray is alcohol based, and alcohol will always have slightly more impact due to the better diffusion. This may cause stronger self effects and more immediate impact on others with a greater range. It also starts working faster then the oil. The drawbacks are that it lasts for a shorter timeframe, such as 5-6 hours and so would need to be reapplied more often costing far more money overall if you are using it regularly. It also can hit too hard and in your face on others outside of say a club/bar. Oil can hit more realistically and naturally due to its slower diffusion, and will last longer. In this particular product, oil does very well.

1 spray of A314b actually has less actual pheromones then a drop of oil, but with the alcohol, they consider the potency to be about a drop of oil.

The a version has about the same amount of pheormones as a drop of oil, but with the alcohol its way more impact then a drop and may be too much for some. Higher impact isnt always better especially with heavy sexual or status mixes, it can be too intimidating, or harsh.

You should find about the same results but in actual testing may just need a bit more oil then the equivalent number of sprays they suggest in comparison. I just bought the latest rev of the oil and am back in the A314 insider's club... Dancing on Fridays lol...
latest rev as in rev32?

The purpose that I use the A314B spray kind of requires the intimidation.
I'm being extremely real when I say everytime I play in my poker tourneys wearing 2 sprays of it I get 1st or second place.
I'm currently ranked third in the league out of 161 people.
So..the intimidation works out for me. It also some kind of way make me sharper and quick wit.
I drive alittle faster, I stand alittle straiter... I mean the stuff is killer.
When I wear 6 drops of A314 young edition I don't get any of that at all.
The spray is certainly a winner and I'm under the impression that 2 drops of A314 regular would serve me very well.
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Congrats on the success. Yes, R32.

You get good results with 2 sprays of the 5ml alcohol. If you dont need it for more then 5-6 hours for the tournaments, then its reasonable to just keep using spray for them since its proven effective. The self effects are going to be slightly stronger with the spray and a bit more in your face impact that you desire here. Some use alcohol for club/bar mixes for its further diffusion and slightly higher impact but oil for places like work or a date to lower instead of increase the intimidation, but both will work especially with adding steering molecules.

Dee just mentioned elsewhere btw that if you buy 6 togos of the spray, you can request in the comment you want it in a 30ml bottle if you prefer. If you dont think you'd like slightly more effects though keep to the togo size because a spray from 30ml is 20% more per spray. The a version also would be even higher impact, and it seems already you dont need any more impact or more spray with the larger bottle but just mentioning it if you wish to comparison experiment.

I would still try 7 and 8 drops of the A314YE then and report in your journal. There is a sticky at the top of the A314 insiders club section for some of the effects to look for, it may just be more subtle then you are expecting from using the alcohol since others reported similar hits to the full oil at about double dose of what they use for the full oil. You might need 3-4 of the full oil, 6-8 of the YE for example, 2 of the alcohol due to its better diffusion see more of an impact.... You will only know from testing and of course might find 2 drops of oil works great and it was just that the YE didnt work for you..... Also oil can take longer to start up, so when I test the first time I always also wait 2-4 hours before testing and thinking it wasnt working at that dose...
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Congrats on the success. Yes, R32.

You get good results with 2 sprays of the 5ml alcohol. If you dont need it for more then 5-6 hours for the tournaments, then its reasonable to just keep using spray for them since its proven effective. The self effects are going to be slightly stronger with the spray and a bit more in your face impact that you desire here. Some use alcohol for club/bar mixes for its further diffusion and slightly higher impact but oil for places like work or a date to lower instead of increase the intimidation, but both will work especially with adding steering molecules.

Dee just mentioned elsewhere btw that if you buy 6 togos of the spray, you can request in the comment you want it in a 30ml bottle if you prefer. If you dont think you'd like slightly more effects though keep to the togo size because a spray from 30ml is 20% more per spray. The a version also would be even higher impact, and it seems already you dont need any more impact or more spray with the larger bottle but just mentioning it if you wish to comparison experiment.

I would still try 7 and 8 drops of the A314YE then and report in your journal. There is a sticky at the top of the A314 insiders club section for some of the effects to look for, it may just be more subtle then you are expecting from using the alcohol since others reported similar hits to the full oil at about double dose of what they use for the full oil. You might need 3-4 of the full oil, 6-8 of the YE for example, 2 of the alcohol due to its better diffusion see more of an impact.... You will only know from testing and of course might find 2 drops of oil works great and it was just that the YE didnt work for you..... Also oil can take longer to start up, so when I test the first time I always also wait 2-4 hours before testing and thinking it wasnt working at that dose...
I have regular A314 now and its awesome. 2 drops is good. 3 drops is extreme lol. I'm experiencing 3 drops today. I am long overdue in my journal but I will catch back up. I've been documenting things.
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