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Old August 10th, 2010, 08:05 AM   #31
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Default Re: Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men

According to the discussion
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younger women go for low amounts of -anone and older women go for high amounts of -anone and older men make low amounts of -none and younger men with higher amounts.
Does production of -rone increase as a man ages? If it does, doesn't it mean younger women actually go for men with lower -none and higher -rone?
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80/20 Sounds like a lot more None than I had thought A314 to have. Of course there seem to have been numerous versions over the years so I wonder if that's still the ratio.
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80/20 Sounds like a lot more None than I had thought A314 to have. Of course there seem to have been numerous versions over the years so I wonder if that's still the ratio.

I think you're right, because look at the product description on the site.
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80/20 Sounds like a lot more None than I had thought A314 to have. Of course there seem to have been numerous versions over the years so I wonder if that's still the ratio.
I wonder what is the ratio now. I still think it might be same, but they have added more and better buffers?
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The two men are:

the wise, competent, long lived, nurturing, money-making fatherly type

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the not so wise, often unreliable and short lived, not so caring, wild child "bad boy" type

The second, of course, often describes a young man, as well. Boys will be boys, and the more wreckless ones seldom have the chance to become men. Not that they all kill themselves off with wreckless behaviour - some merely grow physically, and not mentally.

Now back to science (or something more scientific, anyway)...

According to David Buss' research, women historically settle down with the nurturer, and should she cheat... cheat with the "bad boy" when she's most receptive, when she's ovulating... and then have the nurturer raise the child as his own.

If you can really map this out in your head, it becomes apparent.

THAT'S why -none mostly gets women hot and bothered when they're ovulating, then generally repulses them when they're not (so they won't break it off with the nurterer).

THAT's why younger men have higher -none output, and older men generally have higher -rone output (so the 30 something child rearing women will cheat with the new generation of late teen/early 20s men - spreads the genes further)

If you can remove your emotions from the scenario for a moment, you can see that this isn't all bad. It does keep a "wild card" in the genetic mix.

And it's not to say that some of the offspring won't be the nurturers.

Now as soon as you put your emotions back in, you'll instantly feel the downside.

If you're the "good guy" you get to raise, unbenknowst to you, some bastard child born of the seed of some guy who had a brief, torrid affair full of hot, torrid, rollicking, insanely delicious bad boy sex with your wife!

You feel the downside because ... subjectively, it sucks!
Women do settle down with the provider/protector 'rone' type. During ovulation, a womans sense of smell becomes more sharp than other times of the cycle and are driven in general toward men who have better compatibility to them with non similar MHC immune genes. They also prefer men during that time who are more symmetrical and fit and masculine, and I believe androstenone is the signal for symmetry/fitness. The scent of androstenone becomes more pleasant to those women during ovulation who find it urinous/negative smelling normally

It has been shown that as a couple has more similar MHC genes, the womans sexual responsiveness to her partner decreased and had more sexual fantasies and infidelity around ovulation. More on this herel. As mentioned there also, if a women changes her birth control status during the relationship, that too can change the MHC preference and therefore cause these kind of issues. If sex is not occuring much then this can be a possible indicator.

So if she chose or now has a partner who isnt very symmetrical/fit (or using androstenone regularly during ovulation) or much more importantly a partner has too similar MHC immune genes (or changes her birth control during the relationship), then yes its possible for this scenario to occur.

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