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Old January 29th, 2015, 10:02 PM   #1
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Default Ethical Perspectives of Pheromones

In a user's journal, the topic of ethics came up. I thought I'd expand it to a more visible thread, so others could weigh in on the topic.

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I may try this subconcious mone bombing again. I'm a little torn on it though part of me feels like it may be unethical, the other part reasons that our targets usually don't know we're using mones and I'm using mones that I would call socials or happy spray... IDK what do you guys think?
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I'm interested in the ethical implications of pheromones from the perspective of people who use them. I don't think non-users really have enough of an understanding of how they really work and what their limitations are in order to have an informed ethical perspective.

In general, I'm of the opinion that they are another nonverbal tool that we use in order to communicate about ourselves with others. Similar to dressing in a particular way, wearing makeup, using body language, etc., they can give others a perspective of us that we choose. The difference is that synthetic mones do more than just communicate; they alter brain chemistry. Some examples are the anti-anxiety effects of p130 , or the male depression effects of A1 . We don't really know what the long-term effects are to neuro receptors, but it is generally believed to be short-lived and relatively harmless. That's especially so compared with other things that affect the brain, such as pharmaceuticals. Nevertheless, we are causing changes to another person's brain without their consent.

Personally, I try to follow the "do no harm" guideline. If my mones were affecting someone in a negative way, I would stop. That's one reason I'm not a huge fan of IS. It's one thing if I'm willing to subject myself to the crash, but it doesn't seem very ethical for me to expose someone else to it without their consent. I have a friend who is prone to migraines, and I would absolutely hate to accidentally trigger one in him with an IS crash. And regarding A1 , if I were to use it for self effects, I would be careful to remove all trace of it before coming into contact with any males.

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I may try this subconcious mone bombing again. I'm a little torn on it though part of me feels like it may be unethical, the other part reasons that our targets usually don't know we're using mones and I'm using mones that I would call socials or happy spray... IDK what do you guys think?
I see this a lot in people just getting started. "Phero guilt" ? It goes away in time. Look at it this way, why do you wear make up or perfume? To look your best and put your best foot forward, yes? That is all you are doing with mones . Why do you wear a pretty dress? Put your hair up? Because it makes you feel pretty, and feel good. Mones can make you feel good and put you in the right frame of mind to accomplish your objectives, whatever they may be--Excel at your job, make new friends, get closer to a loved one, get attention, get laid, whatever. As you get better at knowing what each individual phero feels like to you and those around you, you can "set the stage" so to speak, for success.

They are not magic, although sometimes it may seem so. You still have to play your part. You will have those "magic moments" and they are great when they happen, but the subtle and steady phero "signature" over the long run will help you make your own magic.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 02:26 AM   #2
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lol Yep I have been experiencing the guilt lately. I'll gladly (patiently) wait for it to fade. ha!
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Default Re: Ethical Perspectives of Pheromones

Let me start this post off then with a lot of rambling and thoughts about what I find is ethical and what not.

I always considered pheromones to be a tool. A tool that assists you into helping yourself to be more attractive, to be more powerful, to get things done that you cannot do normally. Its something that is unconsciously wired in your brain and when you know how to exploit it then it can be a powerful weapon.

However, pheromones should be used to research the effects on the human mind. The rule of thumb in this would be "you should do no harm". I always keep this in my mind when experimenting with pheromones, i want to make people happy and at ease and make them feel comfortable around me. I want to be happy and comfortable myself, but I don't want to go too far and screw myself. My experimentation should be with a clear mind, without any guilt or remorse. I spray stuff with a purpose, I note my findings, and I continue on with a new mixture. If I have to feel guilt of the fact that I made someone the happiest person in the world, then I am doing something seriously wrong.

Phero guilt means that you are not thinking rationally, but emotionally. Its a psychological problem. From my study where I had psychology, one of the things that kept in my mind was the "unbiassed observer in a football stadium". You look from the sideline to the game unfolding in front of you, and you can cheer or boo from the stage, but it will most likely not affect the game. When you write down the effects, think like that. You watched a football game and you have to write down what happened so others can get a clear view of what exactly happened on that field. If you take your own thoughts in it, then your reports will be more biassed than when you look at it as an observer.

Pheromones are made because they have a purpose in life, and that purpose is to reproduce your DNA. Because of human factors like eyesight and the usage of animals that can smell much better than you, the sense of smell has since then been forgotten, but the brain is still wired to receive those signals. Enhancing this effect by synthetic reformulation is helping people who are unable to do so to enhance their other skills, making them the true masters of love.
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That's an interesting point about "phero guilt", that guilt is an emotional indicator that you're doing something wrong. There are a lot of subtle decisions made in the course of wearing pheros. I realize now that when I start to feel guilt about it, I tend to take a moment and assess my motivations. I think it's silly to make a blanket statement that "using pheromones is wrong" or "using pheromones is always fine", because of the situational nuances involved. In general, people who come here use pheromones to improve their relations with people, in whatever form. That's a generally very good goal. But sometimes, situations may arise where we have the ability to fulfill our needs/wants in a way that's not mutually beneficial to others. On the contrary, it might be a bit detrimental to others.

For example, if I want to feel attractive and desirable, I'll probably wear a sexual product. But if I wear it intentionally (not a chance encounter) around a guy who is in a committed relationship that happens to be going through a rough patch, I'm basically nonverbally encouraging him to stray away from his partner rather than reconcile with her. I've just made myself into a bad friend.

Also, there are a number of us who have learned the hard way that sexuals in the workplace make for a nonprofessional environment. They can be distracting to others, reduce their productivity, encourage them to interact unprofessionally, and make coworker relations confusing and less team-oriented. It's not the sexuals that are bad, rather the way they were used.

Therefore, I think a secondary rule of thumb ought to be introduced:
1. Do no harm.
2. Do right by others.

By saying "do right by others", this signifies that not only am I intending to have harmless fun, but I'm also guarding your well being and intending to enhance your life as well as my own. I'm not just watching my own back, I'm watching yours as well.
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Old January 31st, 2015, 01:51 AM   #5
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Default Re: Ethical Perspectives of Pheromones

I agree with the idea that there's a level of intention that's important to consider when doing anything really, let alone wearing a pheromone product. We should be responsible for what we wear and how we portray ourselves to others.

My perspective, if I might add my two cents, is that for some of us, we may not produce pheromones at a 'base-line' level. Some of us may be socially handicapped in a way that is not apparent at a conscious level. It's just another level of interaction for us to adapt ourselves to the technological environment we live in. Again, possibly the only matter in which we consider is how and why we are using pheromones at all. If, in your example Miss Dragon, one is using it with the intent of producing an effect that ultimately is not for the benefit of others, that does seem like an unethical way to behave. I mean, we do treat criminals who commit manslaughter and murder differently after all, right? I imagine that intention has a lot to do with the sense of guilt. but the use of pheromones really doesn't seem like anymore of a hack or edge as drinking coffee to stay productive or taking multivitamins for optimal health, IMHO.

The Hippocratic Oath would sound like a good way to in this case.

By the way, Miss Dragon, your picture is always a pleasure to see. I can't imagine why you'd even need pheromones - you're quite a beauty
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Another aspect to consider, while not blatantly ethical, is the consistent use of pheromones in close friendships or long-term relationships. In such relationships that are built upon the understanding that you're truly getting to know the other person, how might synthetic pheromones skew the "you" that your friends and loved ones think they know?

I'm trying to decide how much usage is appropriate. It can be almost addicting to always be the life of the party, or the smolderingly sexy date, thanks to the influence of pheromones. But I don't want to mold my image so much that I seem like a different person when I'm not wearing them. With acquaintances or business contacts, I don't care. Those are the sorts of connections that need a strong impression in order to be effective. But with the sort of foundational connections that support us in a deep way, what sort of usage is appropriate without crossing a line?
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Old February 8th, 2015, 02:42 PM   #7
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There is a lot of good stuff here. I must admit, I read this post about 5 days ago, but couldn't respond because my account was locked. At that time, I thought "WTF. It's not that serious." I agreed with CelticPrince that pheromones are the same as makeup, bangles, pushup bras, hair extensions, perfume, etc. And in most ways I still have that perspective.

The only caveat comes from some recent AMMO and Mystery Boy experiences I've had as well as an Instant Sexiness A experience. I found out through trial and error after wearing it for months that Instant SexiA makes me irritable. I stopped wearing it for a while, but then my gf put it on one day. After about an hour of irritation I asked her if she put it on. After she said yes, I realized that I could have that same effect on someone else. Now I hate to say it but I've also been the person to say "so what" when the lady in an office down the hall said my perfume bothered her. Can I tone it down, sure. Can I take it off, not on your life. It's one of those things that you know, certain fragrances bother me, but I'm not going to ask you to change your personal habits.

So, wearing pheromones isn't good or bad. The responsibility, much like many other things in life, is in the hands of the user. Whether you choose to exact some kind of code when using pheromones or not is your choice. The biggest difference is people are unknowingly subjected to our personal entertainment/experiments. They don't know the cause of their discomfort of behavioral changes. So it's up to you to make the judgement call.

Food for female thought: If you were wearing Instant Sexi A and it was working like a charm on Mr. Right you've been eyeing for months, but it was causing your best friend to have a bad night (due to her irritability - which in turn was turning guys off), would you keep it on or take it off?

Food for male thought: If you were out with a buddy wearing a pheromone containing A1 which was facilitating great conversation and comfort with a chick you sincerely like, but it was causing your buddy to be depressed (resulting in him turning females off), would you keep it on or take it off?


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Food for female thought: If you were wearing Instant Sexi A and it was working like a charm on Mr. Right you've been eyeing for months, but it was causing your best friend to have a bad night (due to her irritability - which in turn was turning guys off), would you keep it on or take it off?
I would absolutely take it off. "Sisters before misters" is practically a law in my mind. If I don't have my gal's back, how can I expect her to have mine? And she damn well better have mine. If the dude doesn't give me the time of day without the mones , then he's not worth my time even with the mones .

I play life the same way I play board games. Everyone involved should be having fun. If someone's fun gets spoiled, then what's the point of playing?
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Hi Terabithia, Yes I too, like Miss Dragon, would take it off, or at least take it down a notch.
I had a date a while back, I think it was last summer. I was anticipating getting busy with her later, so I wore a super high none Phero, and it completely backfired. She was bitchy, snotty, rude, and obnoxious. I had worn none around her before, with no problems so I know it wasnt that. I just think I overdid it with too high of a dose, and caught her on a night where she was PMSing.

I slipped into the bathroom and washed my hands like ten times, scrubbing it off my wrists. She seemed to calm down a bit after that, and we salvaged dinner anyway, but the vibe was ruined, and I just wanted to take her home and leave, which is what I did.

Hey, it happens. You just make the best of it and learn from it.
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I don't wear mx297 around my room mate because for some weird reason it makes her feel insecure and she gets really down on herself. She can be like this with herself even without Being exposed to the mones so I feel like if she didn't have those tendencies she might not react that way to the spray. I know her very well so I recognize her patterns and tendencies. I feel like the sprays don't make people do things they don't (on some level) already have a tendency to do deep inside. ( only my observation from the limited experiences I've had experimenting with pheromones, not speaking about pheromones overall ) I still have a lot to learn.
If I wear mx297 I usually wash it off before I leave work to head home so my roommate doesn't crash from it.
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