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Old January 8th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #1
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Question cops = mind control?

I was recently doing some research on the age old debate about whether copulins are actually pheromones or not and i came across this. Since this is a one-off and its the first time iv heard of it, im gonna disregard it as some crazy lady that fell off the rocker. Its still an interesting read though. It sounds like somethin outta the twilight zone.

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Old January 8th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #2
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Very interesting find.

I think this will better serve the community if we place it down in the theory section of the forum. Browsing through the article she does seem a bit off-kilter on some of her points. She keeps saying it's scientific but does not cite sources or anything else. Sounds like an opinion
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Old January 9th, 2010, 03:11 AM   #3
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Once in a while in life you run across some nutballs. This lady is one of them. They have a club on Yahoo as well claiming mind control with copulins.


Think about it, all women naturally make them and have been having sex forever with men. You may meet a few pussy whipped men here and there but most sexually active men do pretty much what they will with or without the presence of copulins.

All they do is increase make testosterone levels by 150%, increase penile blood flow and arouse. Its also reported that males find females with a higher ratio of copulins prettier then lower ratio. Probably because it signals fertility.

Copulins are not evil and they will not effect your golf game. They do the same thing anone does for men.

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That is a terrifying read.
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Terrifying in the same way that the delusions and fantasies of a psychopath are always terrifying. The "scientific explanation" for this "copulin mind control" is complete BS, it's just the result of pyschological manipulation over long periods that gives these women the control.
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I agree with everyone; this doesn't seem to be reliable at all. Just some good old-fashioned BS. What I find interesting is that as easy as it is for people to doubt her because "it doesn't appear scientific" it is just as easy to accept something as true "because it really makes sense and they site studies, talk science, etc"...
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I don't disbelieve her because "it doesn't appear scientific", I disbelieve it because the observed effects can just as easily be explained by things that I already know to be true, and Occam's Razor applies: the simplest explanation is probably the true one.
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It's interesting to be able to peer into the workings of another persons mind, especially if there values, opinions are different from ours. I love reading stuff like that, but only if the person(s) go into reasoning and rationalizations of why their thinking is correct opposed to scientific facts. I get it, she's whacked, but the real beauty for me is to be able to understand a persons thinking process so if I encounter that type a person I already have an inside track to similar thought processes.

Knowledge is power especially when you are trained in NLP

But yeah she is nuts
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It's interesting to be able to peer into the workings of another persons mind, especially if there values, opinions are different from ours. I love reading stuff like that, but only if the person(s) go into reasoning and rationalizations of why their thinking is correct opposed to scientific facts. I get it, she's whacked, but the real beauty for me is to be able to understand a persons thinking process so if I encounter that type a person I already have an inside track to similar thought processes.
Actually, she took down her scientific citations sometime after June 06, 2004. I looked into this bizarre notion sometime ago, and found claims to citations. Luckily nothing is ever erased from the internet, and I was interested, I found those citations she had up on her site for some time in an old archive... History of Copulin Research

I did the research into her references almost half a year ago, and can collaborate or discredit her claims in one or two phone calls, but I stopped once I realized, "What if these researchers I talk to actually did the studies? One phone call.", and I just bookmarked all 20 pages of different pages of research into it's validity, hoping I could just make the call, eventually... it's easy to dismiss one as a 'nut job', it's much harder to be objective and as you research it more and more, slowly find it has more merit than one would typically believe, in it's scientific basis.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still skeptical, but I could always just contact the parties involved (I already have their numbers) and find I just stepped in it, leaving me dumbfounded.



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Actually, she took down her scientific citations sometime after June 06, 2004. I looked into this bizarre notion sometime ago, and found claims to citations. Luckily nothing is ever erased from the internet, and I was interested, I found those citations she had up on her site for some time in an old archive... History of Copulin Research

I did the research into her references almost half a year ago, and can collaborate or discredit her claims in one or two phone calls, but I stopped once I realized, "What if these researchers I talk to actually did the studies? One phone call.", and I just bookmarked all 20 pages of different pages of research into it's validity, hoping I could just make the call, eventually... it's easy to dismiss one as a 'nut job', it's much harder to be objective and as you research it more and more, slowly find it has more merit than one would typically believe, in it's scientific basis.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still skeptical, but I could always just contact the parties involved (I already have their numbers) and find I just stepped in it, leaving me dumbfounded.



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It is easy to dismiss as quack science because science does not back her! Even her own citations seem to dispel her theory and its most likely why she took them down:

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1986: Michael Whalen discovers copulins and classifies them as a pheromone.

There are numerous studies that now claim copulins are not a pheromone at all

1991: First synthetic copulin produced by Love Fragrances as a male attractant.

1997: Copulins proven to not affect a male's perception of a female's attractiveness.

I certainly can see why she took this cite down especially since this would disprove her theory

1999: Groundbreaking research by Dr. Luis Monti-Bloch of the University of Utah demonstrates pseudo-psychological properties of copulins.

2000: Funding for copulin study denied simultaneously at the Universities of Utah, Colorado and Chicago.

2001 Feb: Dr. Clancy D. McKenzie, Professor of Integrative Medicine at Capital University of Integrative Medicine in Washington DC, proves in his own independent study that copulins take over the male hypothalamus.

The hypothalamus is not mind control at all. It's actually a far cry, considering it is responsible for body temp, thirst and hunger and the
circadian rhythm. There are no studies that substantiate the hypothalamus as the "thinking" control of the brain.

2001 Mar: Neeraja Sankaran publishes Dr. McKenzie's findings in the magazine The Scientist.

2001 May: C. Dominique Toran-Allerand, Columbia University's Center for Reproductive Sciences in New York, develops model for how copulins control the male hypothalamus.

2002 Jan: Milos Novotny, Professor of Chemistry and director of the Institute for Pheromone Research at Indiana University, opens new branch of study in copulins.

2002 April: Dr. Novotny fired from Indiana University for "breach of protocol", in that his research was considered a liability (two male subjects attempted to sue the university after the study).

2001 July: Copulin studies at Indiana University are removed from curriculum.

Present: At present, no universities have studies in copulins despite the sudden interest in them after Dr. Monti-Bloch's discoveries. I will leave it to you to decide why this has happened....
What I am saying Domnk is that it is just as easy to accept anything as "science" when most evidence pointedly rejects those claims. The burden of proof lies with the science to prove itself and not the other way around. You cannot say the sky is made of blue cheese without factual proof to back it up.

This also leads me to question why someone would take down their scientific cites? If she is attempting to say her theory is backed by science than surely she would want those cited sources as evidence to back up her claims. In actuality, to delve a bit deeper, none of those are anything but a time line of alleged events and not cites at all. I'd like to see what happens if anyone were to turn in a thesis based on those types of cites. I could easily predict ridicule and failure.

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it's much harder to be objective and as you research it more and more, slowly find it has more merit than one would typically believe, in it's scientific basis.
The burden of proof lies with anyone who affirms her theory, not me. So by your very standards it is harder to be objective and not believe because you want to believe. Due the research and find out and then post your research, but until such time it is a baseless position without merit.
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