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Old January 24th, 2018, 03:17 AM   #31
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Default Re: Agarscents Bazaar

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I know with the ones I've chosen, the whole eyes rolling to the back of the head screams aphrodisiac quality, to me anyway
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Hi Nutrix,
just ordered up some of these..Ive been meaning to for a while now. Serious question...do these get your motor running so to speak? I am buying them for their well known natural aphrodisiac properties. What say you? Thanks!
I have occasionally used Musks in the place of Androstenone to good effect.

Women as they get closer to ovulation are much more sensitive to the scents of the male pheromone Androsterone and Androstenone , and musk also I found according to a study appearing in Hormones and Behavior. It is also been tested that a portion of women find the scent of Androstenone to be urinous based on a genetic factor, and then those women find the scent of Androstenone more pleasant around ovulation. They prefer higher Androstenone guys at ovulation. So for androstenone , this causes differences in the response based on the menstrual cycle and genetic factor (although a future stealth with fragrance neutralizers might fix the negative response to the scent (as cologne also helps))

Here are the questions I still have if anyone comes across answers in their testing:

1) Do women who smell androstenone as urinous also find the scent of musk negative not around ovulation, and better around ovulation or its not being effected by the genetics like androstenone .

2) Do younger women and asians who are less tolerant of Androstenone find musks to be equally negative, or it isnt effecting them the same making it a potential alternative. Do black women/older find the musk to be equally arousing as the androstenone ?

3) Adding androstenone will initially attract more hispanic and black and older with more. Curious if the same thing will occur with musks as to the general response.

Potentially all these scents that have pheromone like properties might interest Androtics who is into research of their various pheromone type effects.. As well as things like ISO E SUPER, GAMMA , Hedione and the scents that have been mentioned as having pheromone type effects etc.....

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I have occasionally used Musks in the place of Androstenone to good effect.

Women as they get closer to ovulation are much more sensitive to the scents of the male pheromone Androsterone and Androstenone , and musk also I found according to a study appearing in Hormones and Behavior. It is also been tested that a portion of women find the scent of Androstenone to be urinous based on a genetic factor, and then those women find the scent of Androstenone more pleasant around ovulation. They prefer higher Androstenone guys at ovulation. So for androstenone , this causes differences in the response based on the menstrual cycle and genetic factor (although a future stealth with fragrance neutralizers might fix the negative response to the scent (as cologne also helps))

Here are the questions I still have if anyone comes across answers in their testing:

1) Do women who smell androstenone as urinous also find the scent of musk negative not around ovulation, and better around ovulation or its not being effected by the genetics like androstenone .

2) Do younger women and asians who are less tolerant of Androstenone find musks to be equally negative, or it isnt effecting them the same making it a potential alternative. Do black women/older find the musk to be equally arousing as the androstenone ?

3) Adding androstenone will initially attract more hispanic and black and older with more. Curious if the same thing will occur with musks as to the general response.

Potentially all these scents that have pheromone like properties might interest Androtics who is into research of their various pheromone type effects.. As well as things like ISO E SUPER, GAMMA , Hedione and the scents that have been mentioned as having pheromone type effects etc.....
I will only speak for myself, as I haven't followed any studies on this.

I find androstenone one of the stronger smelling molecules and sometimes difficult to cover because it can outlast a fragrance and bleed through. I find it distinctive more so than distasteful, though I don't think I'd want to wear it neat because I think it could be found "stinky" by others and I wouldn't want to come across as needing a bath, lol.

I've not taken notice as to whether I find androstenone more or less appealing during ovulation. However my favorite musk will make me purr on demand at any point in the month...

I would think how a person feels about a fragrance (musk, etc.) would be largely subjective based on personal tastes and life experiences.

I have ISO e super, Timbersilk and Sylvamber. I can't say any cause arousal for me, though they serve purpose for projection and diffusion.

That's my 2c
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The ability by anyone to smell androstenone is genetically determined. A percentage of people cant smell it at all although will regular exposure they can start to. For the rest, there are two main genetic variants, one (RT code) where people had stronger response and found it more of a negative urinous/sweaty smell (but more neutral or pleasant during ovulation for these people), and a WM variant that is a impaired reaction and describe it as more sweet and pleasant, floral type smell. This one mentioned it was like vanilla to them.
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/androstenone-what-smells-like-women-18444.html"]

As a woman gets closer to her ovulation, her ability to smell actually becomes more acute and she will find the scent of men with higher levels of androstenone more appealing during this period and not on birth control pills which kills the lutenizing hormone surge.

The stealth scent at androtics for example is quite good I've found for diffusion enhancement while removing most of the scent of the natural pheromones. BUT, with androstenone the super smellers will not like it and so a cover scent is still needed. In the stealth announcement it said: Based on your feedback, you can help decide which products, such as the smellier androstenone products, might require some scent neutralization tech to be added in the future.

Musks also have the enhanced effect during ovulation, and as you said work great all the time. One question is if the genetics also effect the scent of musk, if a super smeller finds musk to be negative outside of ovulation as they do androstenone or not might make musk the better choice. And of course young women and asians cannot tolerate androstenone in higher doses, and so if a musk still had the same turn on effect without the intolerance this also would be good. This companies musks I agree are of high quality and worth looking into.

Do you get the same heavy turn on effect with Androstenone as musk outside of ovulation as you seem to be the WM variant? Its supposed to be a weaker effect then those who smell it urinous...

When using things like ISO E Super or Hedione for diffusion projection (and longevity in some cases), just keep in mind they have pheromone effects that you need to compensate for if in a pheromone mix, not perfume only where that didnt matter. Hedione has been studied now and hits the brain like Androstadienone for example, comfort, reciprocity, cooperation, flooding the body with sexual hormones etc which is why it wasnt successful as a universal enhancer but works good in specific mixes. This is also why certain cologne/perfume containing those can really change the results of a pheromone mix.. Some guys were using Acqua Di Gio for example which has large amount of 2:1 of hedione/hedione high cis. The high cis is higher diffusion but less floral and more citrus/fresh scent so they are sometimes combined in perfumery.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5411439/.

* Sigh * I guess I'm just going to have to continue adding new fresh test subjects all the time for musk, androstenone , and tac ... for science of course....

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Default Re: Agarscents Bazaar

I have hedione & hedione high cis for that purpose! You have your head in all kinds of good stuff ^_^

And yes, I may well fall under the WM varient, though I wouldn't say I find androstenone pleasant, lol.

I love the fragrance/pheromone science. This has been some of the most fascinating and fun real life experimentation so far! I can't imagine it ever becoming boring...too expensive maybe, lol, but not boring
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