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Old August 8th, 2014, 05:38 AM   #11
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Default Re: A314 + **** anybody?

Yeah, but like I said in the other thread, I don't know SteveO personally. We've emailed eachother a few times regarding products, shipping, business... but I live in a different side of the world. If you really MUST know why his molecules are so cheap, then ask him. It's really that simple. Just because I review pheromone products doesn't mean I know the inner workings of everyones business.
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Take it from someone who had the original ****, no need for A314 , its redundant.

IBF = **** which was my testing with steve's guidance
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Well, being that PheromonePro is a professional review site, tough questions go with the job, correct? Anyway, since this is an Andotics board, what are your current Androtics reviews? What do they have that stacks up against XS? What do you like or currently test? What are your favorites? Are you still using And. products, or have you given them up?

Quite frankly, AD products have gotten expensive and not as effective.

This is coming from my friends who have used their products as long if not longer than I and are not current with the forums.

I still use my old stuff and it works mavelously. Unfortunately complacency took over and it wasn't the company we all loved.
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Quite frankly, AD products have gotten expensive and not as effective.

This is coming from my friends who have used their products as long if not longer than I and are not current with the forums.

I still use my old stuff and it works mavelously. Unfortunately complacency took over and it wasn't the company we all loved.
Could you be more specific? For example, if anything, the TOGO Shine I have now costs the same and is better than one 2 years ago. I'm not saying that you do. I don't know if you received any "consideration" as part of developing ****. Admittedly, many reviews are quite good. To say otherwise would be untruthful.

However, it just seems like criticism of Androtics products comes from entities involved commercially in pheromones, via affiliate sales or what have you.

Androtics has been somewhat at the mercy of materials costs, since they won't compromise on molecule quality. LS, for example, uses reagent grade, which is NOT ACS analytical standard. I know what top-quality - enone costs from a
lab. It ain't cheap. Now, if XS globally sourced a cheap supply of top-notch - enone , that is quite a find. But every batch has to be tested, and that ain't cheap. When bought from a US lab, the quality report comes with it. Top quality is > 98%. Reagent grade isn't bad. And, if someone isn't a stickler for quality, they may not care. For example, IH would be cheaper if they used reagent grade or less than 98% quality nols. But, at least as the company has explained it to me, Michael Harris was absolutely uncompromising on quality. He just won't allow his name to be associated with any less. And, yes, foreign companies are notorious for inconsistent molecule batches and even faked COA quality reports.

And that simple fact has made it difficult to be price competitive. No question about it. And there was a time 2010-2011 where it wasn't clear SmartMones would make it. Will the new phero cos. survive the next recession? Great question. Not selling stuff below costs they won't. WalMart pursued a loss-leader strategy. It's had declining sales for over 1 year.

Though not a chemist, I basically understand chiral resolution, asymmetric synthesis, binding affinity and so forth. Enough so that when I see molecule prices that don't make sense. Well, what can I say...they don't make sense. As we say down yonder in Dixie, "I didn't just fall off the fruit truck yesterday."

Now, if all these molecules are finest quality and dirt cheap...and still profitable...hats off to XS! That's some kick-ass business skill.

Can you shed any light on why XS sells single molecules of erone, enone and beta rone for 3 times more than a bottle of **** at 30 milligrams? The reason for the question is legit.

I personally (speaking only for myself), find it difficult to reconcile why XS' pres could or would admit compromising a position of public trust insofar as posting test reports that were not truthful. I would say that prior to this year I did look upon the company with great esteem as a bona fide contender that was "going places." I considered ditching A314 for Ascend.

Nevertheless, I take test reports very seriously. When I reported on the new Shine, I wasn't paid a commission. I will never, ever, knowingly make a report that is not true, to the best of my knowledge. Nor can I respect any man (not referring to you P51) that would post a joke molecule report. I'm sorry, but nothing will bend my views on that, short of a public apology from XS. And I take no pleasure at all saying so. It is deeply disappointing, because I trusted that man, and now I cannot.

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im not a pro,but I noticed that Steve's blends are legit and potent.i diluted my bottle of **** with perfumer's alcohol and DPG and it still hit quite hard.he packed a truck load of mones in his products(i can tell by the smell and reactions).high concentration of mones with low price is a smart business strategy?
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A pheromone blend is the some of its parts. **** is > 20 milligrams and is $30. A 20 milligram bottle of epirone, rone or - enone costs $95.

Multiple Choice:

1. The single molecules have a triple markup.

2. **** is sold with little or no profit.

3. The components in the single molecules for sale are different than those in ****. For example, singles are > 98 % and **** is reagent grade.

A finished product is the some of all costs to make it and must therefore be no less expensive than its parts.

Disclosure: As a matter of strictly personaly opinion....

I do not believe the individual in question is a successful PUA , that the report on molecule P76 is true (or, for that matter, many reports) or that the molecule composition of **** is correct as shown on the site.

I don't believe this person is a PUA .
https://www.youtube.com/user/junkyfungus

I don't believe that the story of a 45-year-old man "number closing" a girl that graduated high school last week is true. It sounds like a Loch Ness Monster or Area 51 story.

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Lots of claims get made that they are "working on" posting proof of the molecule quality. Well, it isn't there. That's just a fact. One year later, it's not there. In business, one is expected to stand behind his or her advertising claims. This has not been done. He personally promised to do this 6 months ago and has not done it.

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Par for the course. A discussion about any pxs product quickly turns into a "I hate SteveO rant"
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There is no hate here. Only profound disappointment in misplaced trust.

The fact remains that the author of this quote is solely and exclusively responsible for it:

"I used to make up some outrageous claims with some molecules just to see how many others would follow suit. It became kind of a game with some of us."

It is an admission of dishonesty. Full stop. That said, and in the interest of good social relations with all board members in good standing, that will conclude my remarks on the topic at this time. I have nothing further to add. I think the quote speaks for itself.
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