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Old February 4th, 2018, 01:07 PM   #1
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Question A1- negative effect on girlfriend

Hello everyone. I wanted to share with you some of my experience of first time usage of A1 and wanted to ask some questions. I bought a pure A1 bottle, not mixed. Applied 20 mcg on my neck area and go to my girlfriend to try. Actually we live together with her for 1,5 years. Anyway, she hated it. She was unaware that i am using a pheromone product and she said, I have a strange smell on me. For her, smell was like a match whereafter it burns. She pleased me to wash my neck area and couldn't even stand near me and she had difficulty to identify this smell whether it is a cosmetic smell or it's a dirtiness. By the way, I didn't feel any smell, especially after I put 2 drop of A1 I was thinking how can it be feelable because so little and I can't even smell anything from bottle of it. So how do you think she hated it ? Should I wear it in outside or I will take same kind of results from another people ? One final word, I bought ANDROSTADIENONE A1 from Liquid Alchemy Labs.

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The amount of A1 you are using is more than 200 times greater than that reported in human sweat. My best guess is that the amount in 1 teaspoon of Dial Magnetic is the normal sweat amount, or about 200 nanograms.

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A1 isn't really a beginners phero and scent sensitivity to A1 is a very funny thing.

Some people smell nothing or next to nothing but to others, it stinks like nothing on earth, even in the tiniest quantities. I remember reading somewhere that there is a genetic element in the response, which only makes your task harder.

Another little issue with A1 is that it is prone to breaking down, suddenly, to an awful stink that nearly everyone can smell to some degree - going from cold to hot environments tends to kick-it off IME - Sweat and skin bacteria are involved.

Finding the lowest dose she can tolerate and using a good cover scent are the very minimum you should be doing to control it, also be ready to wash and reapply at short notice if it does

Finding the minimum dose she can tolerate is one way to go - A1 can still be effective even at very tiny doses - esp when used on its own. Applying on clean skin, using lotion to slow breakdown and/or mixing into oil can help and makes the breakdown issue less problematic. LAL A1 is mixed in an alcohol base with only a tiny proportion of oil to help fix the pheros on your skin. Otherwise its good stuff IME.

For a lot more info on A1 , using and mixing it, K-Train's "A1 Guide" and the "A1 Mix Repository" threads in this forum are esential reading.
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A1 isn't really a beginners phero and scent sensitivity to A1 is a very funny thing.

Some people smell nothing or next to nothing but to others, it stinks like nothing on earth, even in the tiniest quantities. I remember reading somewhere that there is a genetic element in the response, which only makes your task harder.

Another little issue with A1 is that it is prone to breaking down, suddenly, to an awful stink that nearly everyone can smell to some degree - going from cold to hot environments tends to kick-it off IME - Sweat and skin bacteria are involved.

Finding the lowest dose she can tolerate and using a good cover scent are the very minimum you should be doing to control it, also be ready to wash and reapply at short notice if it does

Finding the minimum dose she can tolerate is one way to go - A1 can still be effective even at very tiny doses - esp when used on its own. Applying on clean skin, using lotion to slow breakdown and/or mixing into oil can help and makes the breakdown issue less problematic. LAL A1 is mixed in an alcohol base with only a tiny proportion of oil to help fix the pheros on your skin. Otherwise its good stuff IME.

For a lot more info on A1 , using and mixing it, K-Train's "A1 Guide" and the "A1 Mix Repository" threads in this forum are esential reading.

Hey, thank you for answer. First of all, I must correct something that I was putting 20 mcg not 20 mg. Secondly, I gave a smell to my sister and to my mother to test it out and they said they can't feel any smell while my girlfriend was so strongly feeling that smell. I read that post of K-Train and I have 2 ideas. First, maybe I sweated after applying A1 and it ruined it. Second idea is, my girlfriend is on her period right now and it may cause a sensitivity on smelling it. Maybe both of these ideas are true, my sweat ruined A1 and my girlfriend was able to smell it due to her period. So, I will try to dilute A1 in one of my perfume and use it like this. We'll see what happens then. Thank you again for answers
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pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7af2/00bde9b29a323e22a1d52059059841425a24.pdf

According to the limited research above, with regular exposure women start to detect the smell at lower and lower dosages and it becomes a negative urinous smell instead of a pleasant one... It is unknown and should be answered if over time with no exposure this changes back or not or at what doses might not trigger that..

Many people cover it with cologne as some may just not like the scent even normally, or of course why I am asking Androtics to develop the stealth scent eventually that has fragrance neutralizers when they have time, as this may also help in that regard. Along with the change in scent however, it also may possibly have less effects on them, so you will have to let us know how it goes when its covered exactly how she reacts compared to other women....

You might also want to apply it to the back of the neck, and only a few times a week. On men, some get temporary lethargy or depression for a day when exposed, and nearly always eventually starting after frequent usage of it. Some of the people were low testosterone, but later I found links between testosterone and serotonin below and believe its a drain on the serotonin that due to poor nutrition needed to make the serotonin, low T etc some cant regenerate serotonin as fast. On a good note that low serotonin on the woman creates fallout as I posted elsewhere.

This has been found even in dial magnetic 4 days/week which may be low dose but is put in a large area using 4 times a week, as well as even in blends that use things like Dhea-s and one used DHEA that being mood lifters counter some of the drain so can be used more frequently, but also lose a bit of the crushy effects of the A1 .

A team from MedUni Vienna believes it has demonstrated that testosterone increases the number of proteins that transport serotonin into the brain.

Testosterone Supplementation May Increase Serotonin Levels in the Brain | MD Magazine
Testosterone Supplementation May Increase Serotonin Levels in the Brain | MD Magazine

Androstadienone studied effects on cortisol and testosterone
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3661594/

I have suggested elsewhere some possibilities to keep the full fallout but lessen impact on you might include a low dose of 5-htp which doesnt require all the nutrient cofactors during periods they use A1 ... Or things like Astaxanthin which has been shown to raise brain serotonin
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5421950/ or TMG 750 which raises Sam-E, and also gets rid of excess estrogen. L-Tryptophan requires conversion to 5-htp as needed, so its safer for long term constant use, but without proper nutrition its not going to make it but can be tried if 5-htp works...

Maybe I'll post this somepoint in the theory section.... A1 really needs further study in these regards, we are all just guessing and theorizing right now...

Genetics do change how the scent of androstenone is perceived in general, so very likely that occurs with A1 as well but I havent researched it.

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Hey, thank you for answer. First of all, I must correct something that I was putting 20 mcg not 20 mg. Secondly
Don't worry, 20mcg is still a reasonably healthy dose for A1 . Don't waste your whole bottle but maybe try diluting a little of it down to the equivalent of 4/5mcg per drop with cologne and start with just one on one or other of the less prominent app points suggested above. IME, you will still see effects from standalone A1 at that dose - The higher doses most often come into play when you are combining with other pheros.

Also IME, if its the crushy effects you want from A1 , longer-term, lower level exposure is the way to go.
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